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[songsmith]

Whew!! I just discovered this thread (I seldom prowl the Law section) and it's a case study in smokers vs. nonsmokers. Nothing more. Near as I can tell, all the smokers feel smoking is a right, and can think up myriad ways to rationalize it, right down to the usual I've-smoked-for-years-and-I'm-still-not-dead-so-you're-wrong routine. The nonsmokers are generally dismissed as PC p*ssies. Nothing ever changes.
Here's my angle:
My wife is a hospice nurse, meaning she deals with dead and dying people. Many of them are dying of lung cancer, which is excruciatingly painful and a slow way to die, and when people find out you were a smoker, they say, "oh well, he knew he was killing himself," but I digress. She has a patient who owns a bar east of here. She won't say who it is, or what bar, because that would violate the patient's privacy, but he had to declare the place smoke-free because he has emphysema, and lives above the bar. As his health has declined, his bar business has skyrocketed. It seems his clientele are now professional types who would go to bars more if they weren't so smoky. There are more customers, and they spend more money because they stay longer. He says he wishes he had come up with the idea years ago, when he could have enjoyed the extra money.
So... please notice I haven't denied anyone the chance to light up, I've just pointed out anecdotal evidence that not everybody likes cigarette smoke. Seems like an untapped market to me, as a business-oriented guy.---------------->JMS

[KMFDM ROB]

I personally could care less if they ban it or not. I don't smoke, and I don't like smelling like it...however I know that if I'm going to a bar, or a rest. that offers a smoking section, then I am willingly going there, and I've got no right to complain.

Yeah, you could argue the non-smoker has rights and blah blah blah, but for me, I could care less.
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[KMFDM ROB]

Exactly. I know when I go to a bar, I'm coming out smelling like bar. If I didn't like it, I shouldn't go. That's like going to a gun range and saying "I don't want to hear you shoot guns"....well...that's what happens at the range!

Also, when I think of playing a club, I don't think of this clear aired atmosphere. I think of a smoke filled haze.
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[blackout14]

Did anyone stop and think that maybe the lower attendance at the local bar scene is due to the major crack down on DUI's in the last 10 year?????
As far as smoking, if you can't walk out on the deck to spark one up then that pittyful. How would you like it if someone shit their pants and set beside you at the bar all night. There is no law that says I can't shit my pants in public and that if I do I have to leave Right?? So there you have it from now on all the non smokers, shit youself and find the nearest smoker to set beside, we will see how long it takes them to get up and go outside. If this happened on a larger enough scale then, the bar owners would have no choice but to band smoking or run a risk of having a bar that smell like shit, oh wait they already do. Oh well at least it wouldn't smell like smoke and probably wouldn't kill anyone like smoking does. NO TOILET PAPER NEEDED>
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[bassist_25]

I think that everyone is failing to take into consideration that shit is indeed as potentially harmful as smoking. Along with shit comes a large amount of methane gas. You get that stuff near an open flame then KA-POW!!!!

So yeah, the cigerrette/shit analogies don't hold any water...I should I say that they don't hold any slimey, runny, green, diarrhea?

BTW, I stand by my libertarian view - It's the owner's right to have smoking at his or her establishment. If people think that nonsmoking is the way to go, then open a smoke-free establishment and let the free market decide. I'm a non-smoker and there are bigger political issues to worry about than people smoking. Maybe it doesn't bother me because I grew up with my mother being a chain smoker, but unless it's being blown directly in my face, I don't even notice it.

P.s. It's good to know that Zilly makes us pound at City Limits.
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[BDR]

I am adamantly AGAINST people shitting themselves in bars and restaurants.

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[BDR]

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[Trucula]

This reminds me of a comedian doing a line the other day..
He was talking about smoking in bars and said," Excuse me bartender!, I am here drinking ALCOHOL and getting ready to DRIVE to my place and have UNPROTECTED SEX with a SKANK I just met here at the bar, and this guy is BLOWING smoke in my face!!"

To me it doesn't matter, I don't smoke and don't really notice it till i pick up my clothes from the night before to throw in the hamper and go like "Whew!"
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[RAM Z]

I smoke but, if I'm with friends who don't and we go into a place to eat that doesn't have a smoke'n section I don't bitch about it, I just wait untill we are done eating then I fire one up outside. No big deal at all but, if I can't smoke in a bar I will not go in period ! It does however bother me that people who don't smoke that complain nonstop about others who do smoke killing them also with second hand smoke. If they don't like it why do THEY go to places that are not smoke free ? So they have something to bitch about and that's all and when some asshole looks at me in a place that you can smoke and bitches about smoke'n he better hope I didn't have a bad day or a couple of shots of whoop ass and a few cans of liquid courage that's for sure ! I like the smoke in bars it saves on fog juice and hides all the ugly people !
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