RA troops deployed during Alabama shootings

Baceman Spiff · Post by **Baceman Spiff** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:35 pm

Regular Army Miliatry Police (not National Guard) were sent into town after the shooting spree in Samson. It seems nobody knows who exactly gave the order.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... AD970M3RO0

Anybody else here about this?

Bye the way this is a violation of Federal Law... google "Posse Comitatus"

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:54 pm

There was no violation. They just went to a couple of places to see if they can help out and left. Things like guide traffic etc, they weren't going to do the police officers jobs.

DirtySanchez · Post by **DirtySanchez** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:02 pm

"We're here to help. We're from the government"

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:34 pm

We just had a guy wig out in Altoona and Scranton the other day. Shot a couple on their deck while their kids played, stole 2 AK's and 500 rounds, shot up his girlfriend's house here, and when they found him, he had a bunch of pipebombs. Hope the cops had MP-5's, because the army's M-16's are inferior to the AK's. Anyway, I'm far more afraid of retards with firearms than a "police state."--->JMS

slackin@dabass · Post by **slackin@dabass** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:26 pm

songsmith wrote: because the army's M-16's are inferior to the AK's.

i don't know about that... m-16's are manufactured under alot stricter specs... more accurate, less likely to jam, as long as it's not full of sand or mud...

they didn't go in to provide any kind of force, just to help direct traffic and whatnot.... no harm no foul. still kinda weird considering they weren't ordered into the town or whatever...

DirtySanchez · Post by **DirtySanchez** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:40 pm

I have a .22-250 single shot that will kill at over 500 yards. If a gun shoots it's effective. But, you gotta aim. There's a lot of shooting in the area, very little hitting. I guess that's a good thing, maybe.

onegunguitar · Post by **onegunguitar** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:50 pm

I wouldn't say an M-16 is inferior to the AK-47,it's a smaller caliber but it is an extremely reliable weapon,the military wouldn't be using them if they weren't up to par. They are also very accurate at long ranges.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:30 am

DirtySanchez wrote:"We're here to help. We're from the government"

One of the scariest sentences in the English language.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:34 am

Baceman Spiff wrote:Regular Army Miliatry Police (not National Guard) were sent into town after the shooting spree in Samson. It seems nobody knows who exactly gave the order.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... AD970M3RO0

Anybody else here about this?

Bye the way this is a violation of Federal Law... google "Posse Comitatus"

Good post and I was very glad to see that some news outlets did pick up on this thread. The US military is PROHIBITED from active work on US soil. It is a violation of Posse Comitatus. We need the military to obey the law. Period. When our military does not obey our laws, Total Chaos will occur.

DirtySanchez · Post by **DirtySanchez** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:03 am

onegunguitar wrote:I wouldn't say an M-16 is inferior to the AK-47,it's a smaller caliber but it is an extremely reliable weapon,the military wouldn't be using them if they weren't up to par. They are also very accurate at long ranges.

.223 calibers shoot faaaaaaaaaar!

onegunguitar · Post by **onegunguitar** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:39 am

DirtySanchez wrote:
onegunguitar wrote:I wouldn't say an M-16 is inferior to the AK-47,it's a smaller caliber but it is an extremely reliable weapon,the military wouldn't be using them if they weren't up to par. They are also very accurate at long ranges.

.223 calibers shoot faaaaaaaaaar!

Yep,when I was in the USMC we used to shoot 500 meters for part of our rifle qualifications

onegunguitar · Post by **onegunguitar** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:50 pm

BTW,nice avatar Don,haha,just what we need,more pictures of Brian!!!LOL!!

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:06 pm

Ask any 'Nam-era ground-pounder what he thinks of the M-16. They used to take AK's from bad-guys and use them instead. Most of my Vietnam Vet friends will swear allegiance to the M14 as a far more dependable and accurate weapon. I'm not saying the M16 is a terrible gun, but I never hear anyone rave about it. Most spec-ops and a lot of regular troops use the Hechlers now, I think.--->JMS

DirtySanchez · Post by **DirtySanchez** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:27 pm

songsmith wrote:Ask any 'Nam-era ground-pounder what he thinks of the M-16. They used to take AK's from bad-guys and use them instead. Most of my Vietnam Vet friends will swear allegiance to the M14 as a far more dependable and accurate weapon. I'm not saying the M16 is a terrible gun, but I never hear anyone rave about it. Most spec-ops and a lot of regular troops use the Hechlers now, I think.--->JMS

My dad was an infantry machine-gunner (m60). He loved the 16 until they put a suppressor on it to fire 3 shot bursts. said it made them jam easier.

He said what they use now are junk (hechlers?). I think thats just "the good old days" or "they don't make em like they used to" mentality.

onegunguitar · Post by **onegunguitar** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:34 pm

Now the M-60 or the S.A.W. (Squad Automatic Weapon) are bad ass!!! The S.A.W. is a .223(5.56) that just freakin' puts the rounds out in a hurry!!!!! It does between 700-1000 rounds a minute max and around 80-90 sustained if I remember right.-

slackin@dabass · Post by **slackin@dabass** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:36 pm

give me a BAR anyday of the week. ever play call of duty world at war? i have. and i kick ass with the BAR!

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:39 pm

The SAW and BAR are both awesome weapons by anyone's measure. Both are just pure muscle, capable of busting engine blocks and ruining an enemy combatant's day. I can't imagine needing one myself, but they are indeed badass. The sound of a BAR is mean, like a Tommy gun, but an octave lower.

I don't know too much about the Hechler & Koch MP5, but I think it's also a .223 round, it's just a more high-tech delivery system.--->JMS

Post by **Ron** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:12 pm

I've had the pleasure of firing both an MP-5K and a .45 Tommy Gun at a firing range in Vegas. That was a bad-ass day... the targets were posters of Saddam and Bin Laden.

slackin@dabass · Post by **slackin@dabass** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:04 pm

mini gun pwns all.

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:49 pm

The coolest thing I ever fired was a .17HMR with a suppressor. It was at an "undisclosed" location, and owned legally by a federal agent. You really didn't hear the shot, you heard the bullet strike the target. The gun itself was quieter than a BB gun, there was no clunk, it was like, "Ffft. Ffft. Ffft." Little breaths of sound, and little tiny holes in your target. The velocity of that tiny little bullet is what does the damage. Game Wardens use them to put down "downer" deer (albeit without the suppressor), you can have a clip emptied very quickly because there's almost zero recoil and muzzle rise, and the ammo is cheap.
That was an awesome day, the agent had several full-auto weapons there to try. That's where I heard of the Vietnam Vets M14 "fan club," mostly Navy and Marine guys. Carbines ruled the world for a long time.--->JMS

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