Mo' Gov't!

[JackANSI]

I've already researched this whenever the first wikipedia link with a paren was posted here. The general consensus I've found is that most developers are just saying "No" when allowing parens in URL's because they are generally unsafe, and I agree.

To allow parens like wikipedia does is a safe practice for them because they are parsing the URI in the end. But it has an impact on any software that tries to work with their seemingly malformed links. It's just bad practice.

Most developers I've met or talked to online are lazy when it comes to supporting something they didn't account for from the start of a project. Especially in open source and volunteer projects or that involve a set of changes that span many files or functions. It is easier to say "no" than to actually support something

I had to let go of two PSU-educated programmers about 4 years ago because they would say something is impossible or shouldn't be done either because they really thought it so or they were to lazy to do it right.

Turns out that it was a mixure of both stupidity and laziness and they were completely wrong about their stance, only added a few pages of code and 10 hours of time in the project they were let go over...

I've made many lines of code to deal with the stupidity of users when you present them a text box (still havn't figured out a function to cure my own). So I do understand the choice. But if it were so unsafe, then phpbb3 and vbulletin would disallow usage of them in links, and they don't.

At least can we have HTML links back?

[Banned]

I'd love to see Ted accidently blow his own head off. Now that would be fucking funny.

Ted Kennedy, yeah!

[Banned]

But for every busload of folks that go up to Canada to buy their medicine, 2 busloads of Canadian citizens come south to get medical treatment before they die waiting for care.

...And the Canadian healthcare horror stories begin , on cue. So the neo media would report. The death rate is no higher in Canada than here, infant mortality is lower. There isn't much time left in Foxworld to report US healthcare horror stories, though they happen here as often as in CAN. Here, an insurance man makes the final decision on what they pay for, and many pre-existing health problems won't be covered. Medical malpractice is also a fairly common cause of death here.
Want to see the failure of the US healthcare system? Next time you see a change jar at a store, look to see the kid's name, and what he needs money for. Maybe write him a note, saying, "Tough sh*t, kid." The system is NOT some grand model that other countries look up to as a shining example. The Foxers never actually say that, because that's easy enough to disprove, but they phrase their reporting so that it's inferred. What do they call that again... Oh, yeah. Spin.--->JMS

Johnny's obligatory Fox rant for the day.

[JackANSI]

But for every busload of folks that go up to Canada to buy their medicine, 2 busloads of Canadian citizens come south to get medical treatment before they die waiting for care.

...And the Canadian healthcare horror stories begin , on cue. So the neo media would report. The death rate is no higher in Canada than here, infant mortality is lower. There isn't much time left in Foxworld to report US healthcare horror stories, though they happen here as often as in CAN. Here, an insurance man makes the final decision on what they pay for, and many pre-existing health problems won't be covered. Medical malpractice is also a fairly common cause of death here.
Want to see the failure of the US healthcare system? Next time you see a change jar at a store, look to see the kid's name, and what he needs money for. Maybe write him a note, saying, "Tough sh*t, kid." The system is NOT some grand model that other countries look up to as a shining example. The Foxers never actually say that, because that's easy enough to disprove, but they phrase their reporting so that it's inferred. What do they call that again... Oh, yeah. Spin.--->JMS

Johnny's obligatory Fox rant for the day.

Well if they wouldn't make it so easy....

[songsmith]

Johnny's obligatory Fox rant for the day.

Joe's obligatory ignoring of the point in favor of an ad hominem. That's cool, it means I won.
Besides, I have a new foil in the political sparring-match that is Rockpage, and he "proclaims liberty throughout the land!" He's further to the right than God Himself, an we're all thoroughly undeserving of his advanced intellect.
I'm giddy as a schoolgirl, I can hardly wait. --->JMS

[Banned]

Johnny's obligatory Fox rant for the day.

That's cool, it means I won.

John, I hope you have health insurance because you are going to wear your arm out patting yourself on your own back. Pssss, its starting to grow old and lame. But then we expect that from each political post, don't we?

[Naga]

The nearest references to this phrase in the Constitution are in Amendments 5 & 14 which states that no person shall be "deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."

Lonewolf, you are a GENIUS!!! That Constitutional quoting, put to the right use, could be the start of turning this country both upside down, and right! Depends on which way you want to take it...

[f.sciarrillo]

Lat night he shown just what he wants this admin to be. Saying that the police acted stupidly while trying to do their job showed what his true thoughts are. Also, look at most of his appointees for specific jobs, you will see what his agenda is.

He has failed and he will not be re-elected.

[lonewolf]

The nearest references to this phrase in the Constitution are in Amendments 5 & 14 which states that no person shall be "deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."

Lonewolf, you are a GENIUS!!! That Constitutional quoting, put to the right use, could be the start of turning this country both upside down, and right! Depends on which way you want to take it...

Well, I don't know about the G word, but I only wish that the voting public took the time to actually read the Constitution, fully understand its scope and try to form political opinions based on it.

There are many who feel that the Constitution is outdated. These people either don't understand its scope or have extreme political positions that fundamentally oppose it.

The Federalist Papers should be required reading in every high school civics class.

[Naga]

The nearest references to this phrase in the Constitution are in Amendments 5 & 14 which states that no person shall be "deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."

Lonewolf, you are a GENIUS!!! That Constitutional quoting, put to the right use, could be the start of turning this country both upside down, and right! Depends on which way you want to take it...

Well, I don't know about the G word, but I only wish that the voting public took the time to actually read the Constitution, fully understand its scope and try to form political opinions based on it.

There are many who feel that the Constitution is outdated. These people either don't understand its scope or have extreme political positions that fundamentally oppose it.

The Federalist Papers should be required reading in every high school civics class.

That's all the usual. I just wish the government wouldn't act every 3 days against the Constitution

[moxham123]

Did you see this? The U.S. is struggling financially and people are out of work but this continues.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The United States plans to transfer $200 million to the struggling Palestinian Authority to help cover its budget shortfall, an Obama administration official said on Friday.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is expected to announce the transfer of funds on Friday as part of U.S. efforts to improve conditions on the ground that will bolster attempts to revive stalled Israeli-Palestinian peace talks.

The money is not new assistance, but part of $900 million in U.S. funds that Clinton pledged at a donors conference in Egypt's Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh in March, the official told Reuters.

He declined to be named as Clinton wanted to personally make the announcement in Washington along with Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Salam Fayyad, who is expected to appear via a video conference link-up from the West Bank.

"We are trying to help the Palestinians to meet a budget shortfall and also we are trying to create the conditions on the ground so that we can move toward peace negotiations," said the U.S. official.

The Western-backed Palestinian Authority of President Mahmoud Abbas relies heavily on foreign aid to pay out salaries amid a burgeoning budget deficit.

International funds promised at several donor conferences, including the one in March, have failed to materialize and the Palestinian Authority says it has received only a fraction of the $1.5 billion in donor assistance it needs to meet its budget in 2009.

To offset the shortfall in donor funds, Abbas's government has been forced to borrow from private banks. Last month, the IMF said the authority was close to reaching its borrowing limit.

Abbas's government runs the West Bank while the militant group Hamas controls the Gaza Strip, which was pummeled during Israel's December invasion in response to rockets fired into the Jewish territory from Gaza.

The timing of the transfer of U.S. funds is also aimed at helping U.S. special envoy George Mitchell as he travels to Israel and the Palestinian territories this weekend in increased efforts by Washington to revive peace talks stalled since the Gaza invasion.

Mitchell will be arriving in Israel on Sunday from Syria, where the United States is trying to improve its ties with Damascus and seeking a resumption of Syria-Israeli talks as part of the strategy to get a comprehensive Arab-Israeli peace deal.

The State Department announced on Thursday that Mitchell would be in Syria on Friday but later amended his arrival time to a day later. No reason was given for the correction.

[RobTheDrummer]

Yea, lets help them out...great idea...

[Banned]

Ron Paul would end all foreign aid. Save just bout a trillion dollars.

[slackin@dabass]

The State Department announced on Thursday that Mitchell would be in Syria on Friday but later amended his arrival time to a day later. No reason was given for the correction.

this is what really pisses me off. godamit! can't anyone catch their fuckin plane on time?

[songsmith]

Did you see this? The U.S. is struggling financially and people are out of work but this continues.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The United States plans to transfer $200 million to the struggling Palestinian Authority to help cover its budget shortfall.

Your are aware that the USA pretty much props up the Israeli gov't right? Why?--->JMS

[songsmith]

[ Anecdotal stories of people dying in countires with socialized health care is proof enough that this system is doomed to fail. If you don't like the current health care system, then move to Canada and tell me how you like waiting 7 hours for a bottle of Tylenol.

Anecdotal stories of people dying in those countries do nothing more than fill some airtime and inflame the wingnuts. Shall I post anecdotes of insurance companies denying care here in the US? How about marathon emergency room waits? There are many, many thousands of those stories, they just don't fit into your web of self-interest.
If YOU don't like the current state of things, YOU move, the righty-tighties lost the election because of YOUR attitudes.
P.S.--- I just bought Tylenol yesterday. It took about ten minutes, but I also bought some fishing stuff. Tylenol's available over-the-counter, and has always been, even in Canada. I would imagine that a headache qualifies someone of your stature a visit to an ER, though. Of course, Rush DOES have to fly his private jet to the Dominican Republic for Oxycontin, Vicodin and Viagra... but that's only because he can't doctor-shop here anymore. --->JMS

[Hawk]

In the Federalist papers they (in 9 and 10) refer to "factions". Today we call factions "special interest groups".

Madison and Hamilton believed factions (special interests) could ruin the republic. Madison wrote that there are two ways to deal with factions. Remove them or control them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_No._10

I believe the health insurance companies are bad factions for our people, communities and our country. Their lobbying monies are exactly what Hamilton and Madison were afraid of. Under these conditions, relative to the Federalists papers 9 and 10 (a definitive interpretation of the constitution) the Federal Government has the right and the need to control health insurance!

[lonewolf]

In the Federalist papers they (in 9 and 10) refer to "factions". Today we call factions "special interest groups".

Madison and Hamilton believed factions (special interests) could ruin the republic. Madison wrote that there are two ways to deal with factions. Remove them or control them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_No._10

I believe the health insurance companies are bad factions for our people, communities and our country. Their lobbying monies are exactly what Hamilton and Madison were afraid of. Under these conditions, relative to the Federalists papers 9 and 10 (a definitive interpretation of the constitution) the Federal Government has the right and the need to control health insurance!

Unfortunately, because the actual delivery is local, the federal government has very little jurisdiction over the health care industry...however, you have touched on one area where they do have jurisdiction and they failed miserably. Since insurance companies are now "interstate" in scope, the feds could act in passive ways that would spur competition.

Presently, insurance companies are regulated at the state level and this limits the insurance choices available to the public in any given state. If they were licensed and regulated at the federal level and allowed to compete in every state, you would see increased competition, lower prices and better service.

While special interests are a problem, no single sector has enough comprehensive power in DC to call them "factions" in the Federalist context. M&M were talking about political factions that make up a significant part of the elected government and could actually pull off a bloodless coup thru legislation. For instance: the Roman Republic electing Caesar the "Dictator For Life" and turning it into an empire; or the nazi party taking control of democratic Germany in 1933 and turing it into, well, nazi Germany. Political factions.

I believe that the most troubling political factions today are the liberal wing of the D party and the neoconservative wing of the R party.

[Hawk]

I would most definitely call lobbyists Political Factions. Who are out for themselves and not the whole of the people.

[Banned]

Did you see this? The U.S. is struggling financially and people are out of work but this continues.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The United States plans to transfer $200 million to the struggling Palestinian Authority to help cover its budget shortfall.

Your are aware that the USA pretty much props up the Israeli gov't right? Why?--->JMS

The US foreign aid also helps out Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan, enemies of Israel. Why not stop all foreign aid? That is what Ron Paul wants to do.

And, I could pull off a Tornandfrayed and call you a racist because you question aid to Jews, but I won't.

[lonewolf]

I would most definitely call lobbyists Political Factions. Who are out for themselves and not the whole of the people.

Yes, technically they are factions, but they are not political factions trying to overtly take over or rebel against the federal government. Geez, the title is:

"The Union as a Safeguard Against Domestic Faction and Insurrection"

This is not a topic about lobbying to get favors for their special interests. They were writing about large groups of people banding together to overthrow the government, like the south in the Civil War.

That is the context of "factions" in the Federalist Papers, 9 & 10.

You can believe what you want, but if you try to read between the lines with the Federalist Papers, the only person you are fooling is yourself.

The text is very frank and they left very little, if anything, open to interpretation.

[nakedtwister]

And, I could pull off a Tornandfrayed and call you a racist because you question aid to Jews, but I won't.

To be Jewish is to be religious not race related.

[Hawk]

I would most definitely call lobbyists Political Factions. Who are out for themselves and not the whole of the people.

Yes, technically they are factions, but they are not political factions trying to overtly take over or rebel against the federal government. Geez, the title is:

"The Union as a Safeguard Against Domestic Faction and Insurrection"

This is not a topic about lobbying to get favors for their special interests. They were writing about large groups of people banding together to overthrow the government, like the south in the Civil War.

That is the context of "factions" in the Federalist Papers, 9 & 10.

You can believe what you want, but if you try to read between the lines with the Federalist Papers, the only person you are fooling is yourself.

The text is very frank and they left very little, if anything, open to interpretation.

A faction is groups of people with interests contrary to the rights of others or the interests of the whole of the people. Not limited to your North vs. South interpretation.

Of course there is no topic regarding lobbyists. It hadn't been conceived yet.

Under the Supreme Court ruling a corporation is equal to one person, with all of the same rights, and money IS free speech. Another thing the writers of the constitution never saw coming.

The lobbyists and those they represent ARE political factions. And they are for the good of themselves. Not for the good of the people. They have more power over the government than should be allowed. In a sence they can control congressional efforts away from the "general welfare" of the people. And they do.

"They are not political factions trying to take over...the federal government". Wake up - they already have taken over! Their power far exceeds what any writer of the constitution could have conceived!


So, the Federalists papers 9 and especially 10 (political factions - special interests) - in conjunction with Article 1 Section 8 of the constitution - Implied Powers (The "general welfare" clause and the "necessary and proper" clause) does give the Federal Government under the Constitution power to regulate them.

This IS "The union as a safeguard against domestic faction". It's just that the factions used money instead of guns to overtake congress (and some presidents) and work against the "general welfare" of the people.

As smart as you are you should have drawn this conclusion yourself. Geeezz

[Hawk]

Lobbyists and those they represent = legalized corruption. Even if it's legal, it works against the "general welfare" of the people. A political faction. This to me is the scariest thing in politics today!

These factions can bring us (the USA) to our knees - and still make huge profits.

It will take a very strong Federalist to straighten this mess out. And it won't happen over night.