Man carrying assault weapon attends Obama protest

[JackANSI]

Thats an interesting thought...

How can you be pro-life, yet anti universal health care?

Yeah I know, you can have a baby, you just have to take care of it...

But I'm talking more from a moral point..

Because universal health care would pay for abortions.

But is that really a good reason to let others die because their parents choose not to abort?

In other words, it sounds like you are saying: Its ok with me that once you're born, you can die from lack of healthcare.

Besides, aren't you right-wingers always praying for the death of the lower class "lazy" asses that just suck up your tax dollars... Seems abortion is like a one payment deal, instead of a lifetime of suckling on your rich tits.

Oh yeah.. then the rich people might actually have to fight in the army..

[RobTheDrummer]

Thats an interesting thought...

How can you be pro-life, yet anti universal health care?

Yeah I know, you can have a baby, you just have to take care of it...

But I'm talking more from a moral point..

Because universal health care would pay for abortions.

But is that really a good reason to let others die because their parents choose not to abort?

In other words, it sounds like you are saying: Its ok with me that once you're born, you can die from lack of healthcare.

Besides, aren't you right-wingers always praying for the death of the lower class "lazy" asses that just suck up your tax dollars... Seems abortion is like a one payment deal, instead of a lifetime of suckling on your rich tits.

Oh yeah.. then the rich people might actually have to fight in the army..

Wow, you are so out of touch with reality. All these babies die all the time because of our system now, right? No, our healthcare system is the best, sure it has some flaws, but NO ONE is denied care right now. I don't pray that the poor die, I pray that they can pick themselves up and make something of themselves. That's what this country is all about. Too bad the government has to have a bunch of programs that these people use so much that it becomes a necessity. You make out like I'm the bad one, yet you are all for the killing of innocent babies. That's fucked up.

What do you have against the ARMY? The army has helped countless people make something of themselves. Last time I checked, it was a VOLUNTARY service. People sign up to serve their country.

[JackANSI]

We've already overpopulated this planet and its just getting worse. I'd rather give people a choice than to take it away from them. I'd rather make it safe for the mother, rather than have two lives lost because it was done in some alley. Still would you rather a one time payment or get one more name on the welfare rolls? If its the latter, you have less right to bitch about welfare cases IMO...


True that no one I can think of is denied care, but they do have quite a bit to pay off after they get the care. Which might make them decide that welfare is a better choice than working it off. I mean why work two jobs to pay it off when you can work .5 jobs and get free money to help. You do get better, more attentive care, when you have insurance, IME.


I have nothing against the army, except the fact it can turn involuntary. Which, IMO, was closer to reality than most think when Bush was starting wars all over the place... All it took last time that was true was connections and money to get out of it, and the poor have neither.

I appreciate what they do for me, but you really don't see the people that benefit most from their services actually joining do you? Starting the wars seems to be the business of the rich, fighting them seems to be the business of the regular Joe. Just wrong in my book, you don't have to agree either. But don't try and make me out like some kind of anti-army idiot either. I'm anti-poor-dying-for-the-rich to protect their off-shore tax-free accounts...

[RobTheDrummer]

We've already overpopulated this planet and its just getting worse. I'd rather give people a choice than to take it away from them. I'd rather make it safe for the mother, rather than have two lives lost because it was done in some alley. Still would you rather a one time payment or get one more name on the welfare rolls? If its the latter, you have less right to bitch about welfare cases IMO...


True that no one I can think of is denied care, but they do have quite a bit to pay off after they get the care. Which might make them decide that welfare is a better choice than working it off. I mean why work two jobs to pay it off when you can work .5 jobs and get free money to help. You do get better, more attentive care, when you have insurance, IME.


I have nothing against the army, except the fact it can turn involuntary. Which, IMO, was closer to reality than most think when Bush was starting wars all over the place... All it took last time that was true was connections and money to get out of it, and the poor have neither.

I appreciate what they do for me, but you really don't see the people that benefit most from their services actually joining do you? Starting the wars seems to be the business of the rich, fighting them seems to be the business of the regular Joe. Just wrong in my book, you don't have to agree either. But don't try and make me out like some kind of anti-army idiot either. I'm anti-poor-dying-for-the-rich to protect their off-shore tax-free accounts...

First off, the child should have a choice to live or die, after all it's his/her life. If you get knocked up, it's your responsibility to take care of the child. It's not right to take a life because it would be a mere inconvenience. Are you trying to make me choose either abortion or welfare? That's bullshit, how about neither. How about people getting responsible? How about people getting educated, off of drugs, and on jobs? The problem isn't being born into a life of welfare and being poor, the problem is doing nothing about it. That's what these politicians do, they setup a fail-fail system that throws poor people into a cycle of welfare.

I see people everyday that benefit from the military. As for wars, congress votes to go to war, not just Bush. Did you forget about that?

[Banned]

Reductio Ad Hitlerum again, Joe. Is that all you got?
It's no different than if I said the far right is just like the Taliban. Both groups want to set all moral standards. Both groups want a government based on their religion. Both are very concerned about owning a weapon. Both support war for their beliefs, then recruit others to fight. Both believe there's no such thing as "too extreme." Both groups believe they are morally and intellectually superior. Both demand your allegiance to Country, God... and them, or else.
There ya go, buddy, it's easy as hell, I can go on for days. Reductio Ad Talibanum.--->JMS

It is just that you statement is so cold. Abortion, killing of babies is legal. Wow. So was killing Jews at one time too. Does that make it right?

Whether something is legal or illegal does not matter in many things. Look at all the people here. Beans are illegal. Does that stop dozens of RPers? Millions of Americans do not accept that law.

So just because abortion or killing Jews is/was legal, does not mean that people have to accept it.

[hicksjd9]

The alley abortion argument is so cliche. Listen, modern girls wouldn't go to alleys for abortions, because the social stigma of having a child out of wedlock is nonexistant compared to what it was back in the day. There just isn't the pressure there once was.

I don't like abortion. I would rather not have it in our country. I am annoyed by that. However, my money should not go to PAY for them against my will. That is a load of bullshit and I would be ANGRY about that. Abortion is not a necessary health care life/death situation (for the times that it is, go ahead and put it on my dime). When it's not life or death, then those bitches are on their own. It's like plastic surgery. It's a luxury. Now I would be hella pissed if I had to pay for JackANSI's mom's new tits as a part of health care reform! and I darn well don't want to have to pay for someone's irresponsibility and compound it with the death of an innocent. If they want an abortion, have them pay for it out of pocket or have the little bastard on my dime. I'll pay for it one way or another anyway.

[zman1200]

send lawyers, guns & money or reporters ,tv news & bloggers. either way the can screw anything up. people with pens scare me

[tornandfrayed]

Why can't the abortion issue be contained? No one wants to use abortion as birth control. It does need to be available as an option when the mothers life is at risk or under circumstances of rape or incest as examples. I have to say that at this point in my life, if my wife became pregnant and it was threatening her life I would choose abortion. Not because I want to kill babies but because I love my wife. I could not stand the though of not having her with me. I could not stand the thought of my three children not having their Mom.

As far as "taking over" Health care, I assume that none of you are going to take advantage of Medicare, Right? I also assume that you are home schooling your children because the Public school system is very socialistic.

Of course you aren't. Most of you went to public school and all of you will take advantage of Medicare at one point or another.

Making Health care available for people and mandatory, like car insurance, would give people with no health care an option. All of you that have great health care can keep what you already have, why do you dislike that so much?

What is it that you love so much about your health care? Is it the cost? The level of care? What? I talk to a lot of people and most of the time they bitch and moan about Hospitals and Doctors.....

Also, any of you out there retired and keeping your health plan rather then supplementing it with medicare? How is that working? I always thought that retired people should get a break on the cost of health, hence Medicare.

Let's hear what you love about your plans!

[ZappasXWife]

You made some excellent points tornandfrayed. I'm not sure how I feel about the healthcare reform, there are many factors to consider. I will say that I hate when people compare what we MAY end up doing to 'Canada'. Do you really think this will be set up just like it is in 'Canada'? Highly unlikely.

All of you that have great health care can keep what you already have, why do you dislike that so much?

I don't think this is going to work out like Obama thinks or hopes it will. Who probably likes their health care plan through work the best? Those whose employers foot the whole bill. Yes, there are still employers that do that. Do you really think that employers are still going to be willing to pay (even half) for their employees health care when they know that these people can get free health care from our government? I think they will drop this benefit.

[ZappasXWife]

Oh, also, are you guys aware that our tax dollars pay for a special ACCESS card program called Compass that pays for women's birth control pills? This is for girls who meet a certain financial need level, not necessarily on welfare. I'm not saying this program is right or wrong, I'm just wondering if you are against this too, or it just abortion you are against? I find it interesting that it is usually men who have the strongest opinions about abortion, usually against it of course. It sort of pisses me off. Do you guys know about condoms?

[JackANSI]

Oh, also, are you guys aware that our tax dollars pay for a special ACCESS card program called Compass that pays for women's birth control pills? This is for girls who meet a certain financial need level, not necessarily on welfare. I'm not saying this program is right or wrong, I'm just wondering if you are against this too, or it just abortion you are against? I find it interesting that it is usually men who have the strongest opinions about abortion, usually against it of course. It sort of pisses me off. Do you guys know about condoms?

I'm for anything that relieves overpopulation. My personal belief is: If you're on welfare, you're on birth control, no exceptions..

As for the rest I lol'd. I find it quite amusing when some guy in pickup truck has an "abortion is wrong" sticker or the like... Its the woman's body, its her choice, she has to stand in front of any flying spaghetti monster she believes in, it should be between her and her FSM. Period. Keep your god damned religious beliefs out of her life.

[JackANSI]

I see people everyday that benefit from the military. As for wars, congress votes to go to war, not just Bush. Did you forget about that?

There really isn't a 100% solid answer on that...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaratio ... ted_States

See also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution

Depending on who the president is going to war with, 48 hours is enough time to cripple a nation, and 60 days is enough time to completely destroy it.


Of course a republican congress would agree with a republican president when the CIA lied to congress, IMO, on the VP's advice. There is a reason why you heard more about how it was a preemptive defensive strike than starting a war... Read the documents you hold up so dear, a little closer next time.

[JackANSI]

The alley abortion argument is so cliche. Listen, modern girls wouldn't go to alleys for abortions, because the social stigma of having a child out of wedlock is nonexistant compared to what it was back in the day. There just isn't the pressure there once was.

I don't like abortion. I would rather not have it in our country. I am annoyed by that. However, my money should not go to PAY for them against my will. That is a load of bullshit and I would be ANGRY about that. Abortion is not a necessary health care life/death situation (for the times that it is, go ahead and put it on my dime). When it's not life or death, then those bitches are on their own. It's like plastic surgery. It's a luxury. Now I would be hella pissed if I had to pay for JackANSI's mom's new tits as a part of health care reform! and I darn well don't want to have to pay for someone's irresponsibility and compound it with the death of an innocent. If they want an abortion, have them pay for it out of pocket or have the little bastard on my dime. I'll pay for it one way or another anyway.

Fuck you loser, I would have gladly paid for your moms abortion. You are worthless to this world anyway.

[shredder138]

The alley abortion argument is so cliche. Listen, modern girls wouldn't go to alleys for abortions, because the social stigma of having a child out of wedlock is nonexistant compared to what it was back in the day. There just isn't the pressure there once was.

I don't like abortion. I would rather not have it in our country. I am annoyed by that. However, my money should not go to PAY for them against my will. That is a load of bullshit and I would be ANGRY about that. Abortion is not a necessary health care life/death situation (for the times that it is, go ahead and put it on my dime). When it's not life or death, then those bitches are on their own. It's like plastic surgery. It's a luxury. Now I would be hella pissed if I had to pay for JackANSI's mom's new tits as a part of health care reform! and I darn well don't want to have to pay for someone's irresponsibility and compound it with the death of an innocent. If they want an abortion, have them pay for it out of pocket or have the little bastard on my dime. I'll pay for it one way or another anyway.

Fuck you loser, I would have gladly paid for your moms abortion. You are worthless to this world anyway.

[JackANSI]

You don't even hypothetically bring my mom into shit.

Usually the tactic of the lame and brainless anyway.

[lonewolf]

I'm for anything that relieves overpopulation. My personal belief is: If you're on welfare, you're on birth control, no exceptions..

Not a bad idea, but how will you enforce that one?

[Banned]

Why can't the abortion issue be contained? No one wants to use abortion as birth control. It does need to be available as an option when the mothers life is at risk or under circumstances of rape or incest as examples. I have to say that at this point in my life, if my wife became pregnant and it was threatening her life I would choose abortion. Not because I want to kill babies but because I love my wife. I could not stand the though of not having her with me. I could not stand the thought of my three children not having their Mom.

As far as "taking over" Health care, I assume that none of you are going to take advantage of Medicare, Right? I also assume that you are home schooling your children because the Public school system is very socialistic.

Of course you aren't. Most of you went to public school and all of you will take advantage of Medicare at one point or another.

Making Health care available for people and mandatory, like car insurance, would give people with no health care an option. All of you that have great health care can keep what you already have, why do you dislike that so much?

What is it that you love so much about your health care? Is it the cost? The level of care? What? I talk to a lot of people and most of the time they bitch and moan about Hospitals and Doctors.....

Also, any of you out there retired and keeping your health plan rather then supplementing it with medicare? How is that working? I always thought that retired people should get a break on the cost of health, hence Medicare.

Let's hear what you love about your plans!

Lets forget about the "plan" for a moment. Why is all this only about health care? Aren't there more important things than health care?

I will attempt to rank daily living needs:

1. Air, hard for government to regulate, so mostly free.

2. Water, much more important than health care, shouldn't the government pay for all our water. I have to pay for mine. Can't live more than a few days without water.

3. Food, can't live more than a week or so without food. The government should give us all free food.

4. Shelter, we all need a place to live, warm in the winter, cool in the summer. Free housing should be available to all.

5. A Job. Government should guarantee us all a job. A well paying, room to advance, job.

6. Transportation. Have to get to that job, so the government should provide us all a free car, van or truck.

7. Day care. If you have children, how are you going to do your guaranteed job if you don't have free government day care?

8. Education. A free education, up to the level you want. If you want a college degree, it should be free. Graduate level, for free. Why not?

9. Now is where Health Care should fit in, IMO.

After these basic needs are provided by the government, what is next could be up for discussion. Here are a few things I would like.

Steelers Tickets

Free Cable and internet access

Allman Brothers Band playing in Blair Co. ballpark

Gourmet beans on demand

Here is a link to read up on the hierarchy of needs, maybe we can think up a few more that the government can take care of for us:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s ... y_of_needs

[JackANSI]

I'm for anything that relieves overpopulation. My personal belief is: If you're on welfare, you're on birth control, no exceptions..

Not a bad idea, but how will you enforce that one?

I don't think it would be by eyedrop... I think a pill or shot would work just fine..

[lonewolf]

I'm for anything that relieves overpopulation. My personal belief is: If you're on welfare, you're on birth control, no exceptions..

Not a bad idea, but how will you enforce that one?

I don't think it would be by eyedrop... I think a pill or shot would work just fine..

OK, Mr. ZeroSenseOfHumor, let me try again. How will you enforce it?

[JackANSI]

Not a bad idea, but how will you enforce that one?

I don't think it would be by eyedrop... I think a pill or shot would work just fine..

OK, Mr. ZeroSenseOfHumor, let me try again. How will you enforce it?

Probably not with an overly dramatic scene with poor actors... I don't think that would be compelling enough.

[tornandfrayed]

Forget all the funnies Joe, yeah air... Uhhh yeah whatever. That was cute but...

What are your thoughts on the public school system and medicare?

Specifically....

Socialist?

How about the "Public" Library? Reading, socialist or free market.

Just curious.

I am really trying to understand the viewpoint of my fellow Americans. I want to respect your opinions. Watching FOX news makes it hard sometimes....

And I am all on board with the Allman brothers but I say make the tickets expensive so I have room in the front row.
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[Banned]

Forget all the funnies Joe, yeah air... Uhhh yeah whatever. That was cute but...

What are your thoughts on the public school system and medicare?

Specifically....

Socialist?

How about the "Public" Library? Reading, socialist or free market.

Just curious.

I am really trying to understand the viewpoint of my fellow Americans. I want to respect your opinions. Watching FOX news makes it hard sometimes....

And I am all on board with the Allman brothers but I say make the tickets expensive so I have room in the front row.
...

Serious answer.

The government takes my money at gunpoint for schools, medicare and social security. I have no say in the matter, they take my money.

So, I will use government schools, and then medicare and SS when my time comes. I was forced to put money into those monopolies week after week, year after wage earning year. Will not feel one iota of guilt, I did not have an option.

Now if I had the option to say I will never participate with government schools, medicare and Social Security, and no money would be taken at gunpoint, then I would have easily jumped to the front of the line. I would be much better off if I had been able to use my money, invested in long term mutual funds like my 401k. I would rather be independent with a much much higher return on my investments. I would have been able to send my son to a private school if I were given my school tax money back (like some areas use vouchers for).

[JackANSI]

Forget all the funnies Joe, yeah air... Uhhh yeah whatever. That was cute but...

What are your thoughts on the public school system and medicare?

Specifically....

Socialist?

How about the "Public" Library? Reading, socialist or free market.

Just curious.

I am really trying to understand the viewpoint of my fellow Americans. I want to respect your opinions. Watching FOX news makes it hard sometimes....

And I am all on board with the Allman brothers but I say make the tickets expensive so I have room in the front row.
...

Serious answer.

The government takes my money at gunpoint for schools, medicare and social security. I have no say in the matter, they take my money.

So, I will use government schools, and then medicare and SS when my time comes. I was forced to put money into those monopolies week after week, year after wage earning year. Will not feel one iota of guilt, I did not have an option.

Now if I had the option to say I will never participate with government schools, medicare and Social Security, and no money would be taken at gunpoint, then I would have easily jumped to the front of the line. I would be much better off if I had been able to use my money, invested in long term mutual funds like my 401k. I would rather be independent with a much much higher return on my investments. I would have been able to send my son to a private school if I were given my school tax money back (like some areas use vouchers for).

This, seriously.

[tornandfrayed]

Point well made Joe, but what about the people who are less able to take care of themselves. What about the guy who is a good guy but has no skills and therefore makes little to no money? But don't forget he is skilled at fucking and therefore has 5 kids and he is obviously not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Come on we all know him... What about him?

I use to believe in the "Test". Right? You take a test to see if you are "Smart" if you fail you die. You know, thinning the heard... But, I have a little more compassion now that I know I could be the one with the hammer to do the dumb ones.

You guys really need to keep the Mom's out of the comments. That is a little bit uncalled for.

And don't be mean and hurtful, sometimes your opinion is more then enough to set someone off.

[hicksjd9]

I was going to say something back as overblown out of proportion as you did, jackansi, but I'm going to maintain control. I will say that the best point you have made on this site so far is that you can't control yourself or your emotional responses very well. There's apparently only room for one opinionated know it all on this site, so I can see why you might wish that I was dead.

I might be a bit lame, but I'm definitely not brainless. You fancy yourself as intelligent--enough to pass judgement on programs led by teams of brilliant folks with advanced degrees. I have to tell you, you aren't the only smart person on this site. I'm not going to start a pissing contest with you, but suffice to say, I and many others here who disagree with your politics are far from dumb.

Just to clarify, I don't know if your mom would even need breast augmentation, i don't know anything about her at all. It was a hypothetical. I certainly hope she is well and I wouldn't wish that she would have aborted you, even though I don't like you very much anymore. Apparently your mom's boobs are a very sensitive issue with you. So I'll turn it around. I wouldn't want to pay for MY mom to have a boob job. I hope that makes you feel better and that it will help you to regain some control.