Bill would give president emergency control of Internet

[songsmith]

I don't have a single idea who any of those people are. I do not know if they are libertarians.

Want to put some cash on it?

For the last time:
1) Obama isn't taking your guns.
2) Obama isn't cancelling Christmas
3) The fine people at Cisco ALREADY have the power to shut down the internet. But you're okay with a corporation having that power, right? I mean, what harm could big business cause? --->JMS

[Hawk]

I still don't know enough to have an opinion.

But this press release does seem to be a good idea on the surface.

http://commerce.senate.gov/public/index ... f54fc38662

Perhaps you could explain why this is bad, in detail. Rather than, "Obama = bad."

[Banned]

I still don't know enough to have an opinion.

But this press release does seem to be a good idea on the surface.

http://commerce.senate.gov/public/index ... f54fc38662

Perhaps you could explain why this is bad, in detail. Rather than, "Obama = bad."

Bill, that is from the Democrat Deputy Communications Director. Like how you find real objective sources.

Would you believe a source provided by Rush?

[Banned]

I don't have a single idea who any of those people are. I do not know if they are libertarians.

Want to put some cash on it?

For the last time:
1) Obama isn't taking your guns.
2) Obama isn't cancelling Christmas
3) The fine people at Cisco ALREADY have the power to shut down the internet. But you're okay with a corporation having that power, right? I mean, what harm could big business cause? --->JMS

Someday you might get over your fetish about Christmas in your posts, we all hope.

I trust any corporation over my government, each and every day.

[Hawk]

I don't have a single idea who any of those people are. I do not know if they are libertarians.

Want to put some cash on it?

For the last time:
1) Obama isn't taking your guns.
2) Obama isn't cancelling Christmas
3) The fine people at Cisco ALREADY have the power to shut down the internet. But you're okay with a corporation having that power, right? I mean, what harm could big business cause? --->JMS

Someday you might get over your fetish about Christmas in your posts, we all hope.

I trust any corporation over my government, each and every day.

Huh, how much did you have invested in Enron ? Madoff ?

[Banned]

Want to put some cash on it?

For the last time:
1) Obama isn't taking your guns.
2) Obama isn't cancelling Christmas
3) The fine people at Cisco ALREADY have the power to shut down the internet. But you're okay with a corporation having that power, right? I mean, what harm could big business cause? --->JMS

Someday you might get over your fetish about Christmas in your posts, we all hope.

I trust any corporation over my government, each and every day.

Huh, how much did you have invested in Enron ? Madoff ?

Enron and Madoff are chumps compared to the rip off of this government. It just raised the debt to $11 TRILLION. Each and every new born baby is in debt for nearly $50,000.00 to pay off this debt.

S.S. and Medicare are Ponzi schemes, both due to go bankrupt in a few years, and all the 30-somethings on this forum know they will never see a cent of SS or Medicare.

And you're worried about Enron and Madaff.

[Hawk]

Someday you might get over your fetish about Christmas in your posts, we all hope.

I trust any corporation over my government, each and every day.

Huh, how much did you have invested in Enron ? Madoff ?

Enron and Madoff are chumps compared to the rip off of this government. It just raised the debt to $11 TRILLION. Each and every new born baby is in debt for nearly $50,000.00 to pay off this debt.

S.S. and Medicare are Ponzi schemes, both due to go bankrupt in a few years, and all the 30-somethings on this forum know they will never see a cent of SS or Medicare.

And you're worried about Enron and Madaff.

MOST of that debt was created by the high spending and tax cutting administrations of Reagan, Bush and W Bush. Obama has to spend to clean up the damn mess they created.

[Banned]

Obama has to spend to clean up the damn mess they created.

[Hawk]

Obama has to spend to clean up the damn mess they created.

Context Joe, learn the meaning.

[Banned]

What can one possibly say when you are chugging the koolaid.

[whitedevilone]

Obama has to spend to clean up the damn mess they created.

Jesus Bill,please remove your head from your ass.Everytime i THINK you might make a little sense you knock one outa the park.Just like now.

[Hawk]

You do know that Reagan,Bush and W created the greatest deficits in the history of the world. if you didn't know that I at you.

Bush left the USA in near depression.

Obama had to bail out the economy they destroyed.

[whitedevilone]

You do know that Reagan,Bush and W created the greatest deficits in the history of the world. if you didn't know that I at you.

Bush left the USA in near depression.

Obama had to bail out the economy they destroyed.

Typical liberal gooblygook.No matter what bonehead moves your boy makes.No matter what questionable associations he has.No matter what foolish appointments he proceeds with you ALWAYS have 8 years of Bush to blame.Please, like Jonny greenjeans keeps saying ,your side won so get over it.I know you love to blame W for the 11TRILLION bones your boy has put on my grandchildren's back but it holds no water brother.Just so ya know,i am a good person who believes in helping others.I've been looking after the elderly lady that lives next to us for 9 years now.It takes a little of my time and money but i don't mind.In fact,are ya listening Dave,it makes me feel pretty good to do so,and she's a lovely lady that loves my family.See neighbors helping neighbors.Communities helping each other without the iron hand of Government forcing it upon us.Although in your case it's the warm,fuzzy,helpful hand of government telling you your every move.I'll have none of it thank you.But ofcourse that's gotta be Reagen's fault.Right Bill.I love ya man,but you're just wrong.

[Hawk]

You do know that Reagan,Bush and W created the greatest deficits in the history of the world. if you didn't know that I at you.

Bush left the USA in near depression.

Obama had to bail out the economy they destroyed.

Typical liberal gooblygook.No matter what bonehead moves your boy makes.No matter what questionable associations he has.No matter what foolish appointments he proceeds with you ALWAYS have 8 years of Bush to blame.Please, like Jonny greenjeans keeps saying ,your side won so get over it.I know you love to blame W for the 11TRILLION bones your boy has put on my grandchildren's back but it holds no water brother.Just so ya know,i am a good person who believes in helping others.I've been looking after the elderly lady that lives next to us for 9 years now.It takes a little of my time and money but i don't mind.In fact,are ya listening Dave,it makes me feel pretty good to do so,and she's a lovely lady that loves my family.See neighbors helping neighbors.Communities helping each other without the iron hand of Government forcing it upon us.Although in your case it's the warm,fuzzy,helpful hand of government telling you your every move.I'll have none of it thank you.But ofcourse that's gotta be Reagen's fault.Right Bill.I love ya man,but you're just wrong.

Typical conservative lack of knowledge followed by parroting rhetoric.

I totally don't / can't believe how little you know about the history of the deficit. I didn't just blame W. Reagan started it with tax cuts and increased spending. Bush followed suit. Clinton ran a surplus budget and slightly decreased the deficit handed to him. W. picked up where Reagan and his dad left off. Huge increase in deficits. The Economy was in the tank when Obama became President. Those are facts that CANNOT be disputed. Learn before you criticize.

Where the hell were you and yours when the Republicans were spending us Trillions into deficit ? Were you okay with it or didn't you know bout it ? I really would like an answer to that question.

When you have your head up Glen Becks butt, you won't find the truth.

Great, you are compassionate to your neighbor. If she gets stuck with a $8000 medical bill I'm so glad she has you to cover it for her, rather than her loosing her house. I commend you for that.

But there are millions of people out there that do not have people like you for a neighbor. Let them rot / fend for themselves ? No, our society is better than that. Let's pool our money (tax) and help all of them, just like you help your neighbor.

[Banned]

Don't you know, Republicans are just Democrat light.

Remember, I said do not waste your vote on McBama. Either B. Hussein or McSame, the vote would not change America. I was right. Our deficits are growing very fast, our Debt out or control and the war in the Middle East is getting bigger.

Bush ended up spending more than even Slick Willie. Now B. Hussein who said he would end the war in the Middle East is expanding it. Where is the difference between Republicans or Democrats?

You all should have voted for Ron Paul. That would have been a vote for the Constitution.

[Hawk]

Don't you know, Republicans are just Democrat light.

Remember, I said do not waste your vote on McBama. Either B. Hussein or McSame, the vote would not change America. I was right. Our deficits are growing very fast, our Debt out or control and the war in the Middle East is getting bigger.

Bush ended up spending more than even Slick Willie. Now B. Hussein who said he would end the war in the Middle East is expanding it. Where is the difference between Republicans or Democrats?

You all should have voted for Ron Paul. That would have been a vote for the Constitution.

You and Rob were the only conservatives who dissed W for spending. I do remember your "more of the same". Slick Willie ran a budget surplus. Why weren't cheering him on?

Obama NEVER said he would end the war in the middle East. He did say he would increase troops where the taliban actually was, Afghanistan and stop the war in Iraq.

McCain said he too would strengthen the military in Afghanistan.

[whitedevilone]

You do know that Reagan,Bush and W created the greatest deficits in the history of the world. if you didn't know that I at you.

Bush left the USA in near depression.

Obama had to bail out the economy they destroyed.

Typical liberal gooblygook.No matter what bonehead moves your boy makes.No matter what questionable associations he has.No matter what foolish appointments he proceeds with you ALWAYS have 8 years of Bush to blame.Please, like Jonny greenjeans keeps saying ,your side won so get over it.I know you love to blame W for the 11TRILLION bones your boy has put on my grandchildren's back but it holds no water brother.Just so ya know,i am a good person who believes in helping others.I've been looking after the elderly lady that lives next to us for 9 years now.It takes a little of my time and money but i don't mind.In fact,are ya listening Dave,it makes me feel pretty good to do so,and she's a lovely lady that loves my family.See neighbors helping neighbors.Communities helping each other without the iron hand of Government forcing it upon us.Although in your case it's the warm,fuzzy,helpful hand of government telling you your every move.I'll have none of it thank you.But ofcourse that's gotta be Reagen's fault.Right Bill.I love ya man,but you're just wrong.

Typical conservative lack of knowledge followed by parroting rhetoric.

I totally don't / can't believe how little you know about the history of the deficit. I didn't just blame W. Reagan started it with tax cuts and increased spending. Bush followed suit. Clinton ran a surplus budget and slightly decreased the deficit handed to him. W. picked up where Reagan and his dad left off. Huge increase in deficits. The Economy was in the tank when Obama became President. Those are facts that CANNOT be disputed. Learn before you criticize.

Where the hell were you and yours when the Republicans were spending us Trillions into deficit ? Were you okay with it or didn't you know bout it ? I really would like an answer to that question.

When you have your head up Glen Becks butt, you won't find the truth.

Great, you are compassionate to your neighbor. If she gets stuck with a $8000 medical bill I'm so glad she has you to cover it for her, rather than her loosing her house. I commend you for that.

But there are millions of people out there that do not have people like you for a neighbor. Let them rot / fend for themselves ? No, our society is better than that. Let's pool our money (tax) and help all of them, just like you help your neighbor.

Bill, i know plenty about the deficit and i'm not giving the Reps a free pass,as you seem to do for the Dems.I rarely watch Beck and i don't think i've echoed anything he's said.Paranoid?Brother NOBODY sounds more paranoid on this board than you.Seriously you sound as if you wouldn't know how to put your pants on without some government oversight.As for my neighbor Betty,her husband worked his fingers to the bone all his life so,get this,her house is paid for and if she needed me to cover her taxes next year I'D DO IT so put that in your peace pipe and smoke it.Nobody fills these pages with more paranoid pro-government garabge than you brother.You're just like a typical Obamnaboy who completely overlooks the damage he's inflicting on this country.Have you noticed his numbers?In the shitter.Why?Because middle America who got guilted into voting for him have woken up,because them,the middle class taxpayers,are taking it in the arse for a slew of new social programs taking the place or just renaming old ones that haven't worked for 40 years.You can lead a horse to water.....

[songsmith]

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Someday you might get over your fetish about Christmas in your posts, we all hope.

I trust any corporation over my government, each and every day.

I don't have a fetish for Xmas, it's just a great example of far-right paranoia, and points to how easy to fool the Radical Right is. Bill-O says they're trying to cancel Christmas, and the sheep just line up behind him, no matter how ludicrous the concept. All the adults know that nobody wants to cancel Christmas, that indeed, it would be impossible even if someone did want it, but to the far-right, it's time to beat the plowshares into swords. It's the same with gun control. It's been a rallying cry for 30-plus years that I've been paying attention, "they're taking our guns," but no one ever has.
It's all bluster, perfectly honed and directed at the fears of the sheep. Don't dare go outside the fold, or the wolf will get you. Or the other sheep will.
Stay afraid, Joe. Be frightened by government. It makes you easy to control. Your faction has been chosen for you, in the guise of liberty. You even siphoned off your vote to someone who couldn't win. You may as well have voted for Ralph Nader, same consequence. They played you, buddy.--->JMS

[Hawk]

Typical liberal gooblygook.No matter what bonehead moves your boy makes.No matter what questionable associations he has.No matter what foolish appointments he proceeds with you ALWAYS have 8 years of Bush to blame.Please, like Jonny greenjeans keeps saying ,your side won so get over it.I know you love to blame W for the 11TRILLION bones your boy has put on my grandchildren's back but it holds no water brother.Just so ya know,i am a good person who believes in helping others.I've been looking after the elderly lady that lives next to us for 9 years now.It takes a little of my time and money but i don't mind.In fact,are ya listening Dave,it makes me feel pretty good to do so,and she's a lovely lady that loves my family.See neighbors helping neighbors.Communities helping each other without the iron hand of Government forcing it upon us.Although in your case it's the warm,fuzzy,helpful hand of government telling you your every move.I'll have none of it thank you.But ofcourse that's gotta be Reagen's fault.Right Bill.I love ya man,but you're just wrong.

Typical conservative lack of knowledge followed by parroting rhetoric.

I totally don't / can't believe how little you know about the history of the deficit. I didn't just blame W. Reagan started it with tax cuts and increased spending. Bush followed suit. Clinton ran a surplus budget and slightly decreased the deficit handed to him. W. picked up where Reagan and his dad left off. Huge increase in deficits. The Economy was in the tank when Obama became President. Those are facts that CANNOT be disputed. Learn before you criticize.

Where the hell were you and yours when the Republicans were spending us Trillions into deficit ? Were you okay with it or didn't you know bout it ? I really would like an answer to that question.

When you have your head up Glen Becks butt, you won't find the truth.

Great, you are compassionate to your neighbor. If she gets stuck with a $8000 medical bill I'm so glad she has you to cover it for her, rather than her loosing her house. I commend you for that.

But there are millions of people out there that do not have people like you for a neighbor. Let them rot / fend for themselves ? No, our society is better than that. Let's pool our money (tax) and help all of them, just like you help your neighbor.

Bill, i know plenty about the deficit and i'm not giving the Reps a free pass,as you seem to do for the Dems.I rarely watch Beck and i don't think i've echoed anything he's said.Paranoid?Brother NOBODY sounds more paranoid on this board than you.Seriously you sound as if you wouldn't know how to put your pants on without some government oversight.As for my neighbor Betty,her husband worked his fingers to the bone all his life so,get this,her house is paid for and if she needed me to cover her taxes next year I'D DO IT so put that in your peace pipe and smoke it.Nobody fills these pages with more paranoid pro-government garabge than you brother.You're just like a typical Obamnaboy who completely overlooks the damage he's inflicting on this country.Have you noticed his numbers?In the shitter.Why?Because middle America who got guilted into voting for him have woken up,because them,the middle class taxpayers,are taking it in the arse for a slew of new social programs taking the place or just renaming old ones that haven't worked for 40 years.You can lead a horse to water.....

Obama's numbers are going down, for two reasons. The conservatives are paranoid and the liberals are pissed that he seems weak on his promises. In other words we want health care reform now. We want the war in Iraq to end now.

So if a poll were taken asking if you think Obama is doing a good job, I (and other liberals) would say NO. You would say NO as well, but for different reasons. So his numbers drop.

Now, how do you equate my desire to have health care for perhaps 30 million more people and a no drop clause and a No refusal clause for preexisting conditions with a derogatory remark about putting my pants on. I mean that's as Limbaughish as Joe gets.

And how does my caring about the "lesser" of people equal paranoia ?

I believe you (just like the conservative talking heads) think if you can label someone with a derogatory name (even when there is no basis for it) you win. Limbaughish again.

When I said Joe is paranoid relative to government I think Joe has proved that out. And he tries to spread paranoia in order to suck people in to his way of thinking. That typical of Fox as well. It works only with stupid people, which is why the Republican party is in disarray right now.

Explain to me (as I ask again) What about the people who DO NOT have a nice neighbor like you ? I care about them as well, do you ?

[whitedevilone]

You're right Bill i don't mean to name call or be a dick to you.You know i dig you we're just on different sides of the fence.Maybe you live in a neighborhood full of assholes i dunno.I do know that in my neck of the woods everybody helps everybody.In the winter we all shovel snow and respect each other's space.In the summer i and a few other guys help keep older folk's yards in order and help maintain their homes a little bit.It's just the way i was raised.It comes down to a simple fact for me.I'll help those who need help and can't help themselves.I refuse to help those who can do for themselves and choose not to.Nothing burns me up more than when MY taxdollars are taken from me to do just that!!Trust me in my line of work i'm in many section 8 housing units complete with MANY abled body folks watching TV at 11:30 in the morning ordering pizza.Call me old school,a talkinghead,a hardnosed righty anything you want but YOU can help THOSE people with YOUR taxdollars if you want.I hate it and it gets under my skin.

[Hawk]

You're right Bill i don't mean to name call or be a dick to you.You know i dig you we're just on different sides of the fence.Maybe you live in a neighborhood full of assholes i dunno.I do know that in my neck of the woods everybody helps everybody.In the winter we all shovel snow and respect each other's space.In the summer i and a few other guys help keep older folk's yards in order and help maintain their homes a little bit.It's just the way i was raised.It comes down to a simple fact for me.I'll help those who need help and can't help themselves.I refuse to help those who can do for themselves and choose not to.Nothing burns me up more than when MY taxdollars are taken from me to do just that!!Trust me in my line of work i'm in many section 8 housing units complete with MANY abled body folks watching TV at 11:30 in the morning ordering pizza.Call me old school,a talkinghead,a hardnosed righty anything you want but YOU can help THOSE people with YOUR taxdollars if you want.I hate it and it gets under my skin.

I have a great respect for you as well. We are on the same side of the fence as per helping people. And we both HATE slackers as well !

My neighborhood is like yours too. We all do things for each other, in fact many people in my neighborhood are second and third generation in the same neighborhood.

Given that we both hate slackers and we both help neighbors (I have a man up the block who just turned 90 and lives by himself. My wife often cooks extra and we take it up to him.) How can we help the people who do not have neighbors like us ?

Soon you will learn that my liberal positions have NOTHING to do with me or mine. But everything do do with helping people who actually NEED help. Id like to help your neighbor if you moved. Or if for some reason, she had to move.

[lonewolf]

Even after a few days...every time I see the title of this thread, I keep thinking they meant that its BILL (Hawk) that would do this. lol

[Hawk]

Even after a few days...every time I see the title of this thread, I keep thinking they meant that its BILL (Hawk) that would do this. lol

[Banned]

They played you, buddy.--->JMS

Oh, and I guess you are winning with B. Trillions of deficit spending, and you are winning. More US troops dying in Iraq and Afghanistan, and you are winning there too. How about winning with his "most transparent" government, where he appoints dozens of "czars" with no congressional oversight.

Oh yeah, you picked a winner.

[Hawk]

They played you, buddy.--->JMS

Oh, and I guess you are winning with B. Trillions of deficit spending, and you are winning. More US troops dying in Iraq and Afghanistan, and you are winning there too. How about winning with his "most transparent" government, where he appoints dozens of "czars" with no congressional oversight.

Oh yeah, you picked a winner.

You do know Reagan was the guy who first started hiring Czars, it continued under every president since. Why weren't you crying about Czars then ? Didn't know or didn't care ?

This "winner" kept wall street (your investments) from total collapse and banks (you weren't forced into a "run" were you) from collapse. Otherwise, you might be in a bread line right now.