I will agree with the heal care bill if ....

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:10 pm

Hawk wrote:
f.sciarrillo wrote:
I am all for excluding the "slackers". I don't have a problem with helping some one who is trying to help themselves and/or their family (and when I say family I mean those who live in the same household).
Then, essentially, we've been on the same page the whole time.

How do YOU propose we get them health insurance ?

Regulate the insurance companies and pass tort reform. ..

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:51 pm

f.sciarrillo wrote:
Hawk wrote:
f.sciarrillo wrote:
I am all for excluding the "slackers". I don't have a problem with helping some one who is trying to help themselves and/or their family (and when I say family I mean those who live in the same household).
Then, essentially, we've been on the same page the whole time.

How do YOU propose we get them health insurance ?
Regulate the insurance companies and pass tort reform. ..

Hoe does that get the McDonald's cashier health insurance ?

Naga · Post by **Naga** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:15 pm

Hawk wrote:
Naga wrote:Only problem is, Betty Welfarebitch wants her cut of the pie too, even if she didn't/won't give any money to buy the ingredients, give any ingredients, or help cook the f'in thing!

And on top of that, she wants a slice for all 15 of her kids as well, cos they deserve it even if they're only seen as more pie for her, and not as kids. Damn Betty Welfarebitch, slut of the trailer park...
Out of the 40 million uninsured, how many of them are Bettys ?

You DO realize that Betty already gets free health care by taking all of her kids to the emergency ? Driving up hospital costs and driving up your insurance premiums.

First, I don't know. I'm not aiming at numbers, I was simply making a critical joke

And second off, yes I do. Someone gets a tiny scratch, and instead of just throwing some antiseptic cream and a band-aid on it, they're instantly headed to the emergency room

Of course, that brings in another suggestion... Why, in the first place, don't they have a "minor injury" area all night, designed for things that are really "could be" and should at least be looked at to make sure, and the Emergency Room, designed for situations where it's for things like a guy coming in who's arm was half chainsawed off?

I never understood that... There are some things that are not outright emergencies obviously, but then in the middle of the night, they should probably be looked over

zman1200 · Post by **zman1200** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:42 pm

Dont get me wrong I believe basic health care is a fundemental right ins should be sold for very very low cost and graduate up just like car ins people who were born or inherate/accedent at no fault of there own should be in special low to no cost polices. you smoke ,drink , drugs etc pay to play call it a cover charge. How will all this afect WALL STREET will there be another bailout AL and TIPPER GORE in the 80s and now is FRANK ZAPPA forgotten I dont trust the government now more than ever

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:27 pm

Hawk wrote:
f.sciarrillo wrote:
Hawk wrote: Then, essentially, we've been on the same page the whole time.

How do YOU propose we get them health insurance ?
Regulate the insurance companies and pass tort reform. ..
Hoe does that get the McDonald's cashier health insurance ?

It will bring the cost down so they can afford it better.

slackin@dabass · Post by **slackin@dabass** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:38 pm

Hawk wrote:
f.sciarrillo wrote:
Hawk wrote: Then, essentially, we've been on the same page the whole time.

How do YOU propose we get them health insurance ?
Regulate the insurance companies and pass tort reform. ..
Hoe does that get the McDonald's cashier health insurance ?

i think mcdonalds offers health insurance.

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:47 pm

f.sciarrillo wrote:
Hawk wrote:
f.sciarrillo wrote: Regulate the insurance companies and pass tort reform. ..
Hoe does that get the McDonald's cashier health insurance ?
It will bring the cost down so they can afford it better.

It is already regulated by each of the states. You're too vague, what regulations would you recommend that would bring affordable costs ?

Explain what you want from tort reform ? Just a cap ?

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:20 pm

Naga wrote:[Why, in the first place, don't they have a "minor injury" area all night, designed for things that are really "could be" and should at least be looked at to make sure, and the Emergency Room, designed for situations where it's for things like a guy coming in who's arm was half chainsawed off?

I never understood that... There are some things that are not outright emergencies obviously, but then in the middle of the night, they should probably be looked over

The conservative view is that healthcare is not broken. The right is apparently okay with people using the ER for a free clinic, adding cost to their hospital bills. They only care if the newly-evil government is involved. Passing on expense to other customers is part of okey-dokey capitalism, it's only bad if the gov't does it.--->JMS

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:26 pm

How do you socialists out there feel about tort reform. The democrats protect that with their lives, political lives that is cause those trial lawyers sure give a lot of money to the democrats.

There should be major tort reform and that would be a huge step in bringing down the cost of health care. Doctors and hospitals practice sooooo much defensive medicine. Malpractice insurance for some doctors is over $150,000 per year, and one wonders why some procedures are expensive.

But this president and Nancy Pelosi will not allow anyone to touch the lawyers. How will they finance their reelection campaigns?

If health care was such a moral imperative, legislate some meaningful tort reform. Loser pays, caps on claims. Two simple things that would immediately help.

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:32 pm

undercoverjoe wrote:How do you socialists out there feel about tort reform. The democrats protect that with their lives, political lives that is cause those trial lawyers sure give a lot of money to the democrats.

There should be major tort reform and that would be a huge step in bringing down the cost of health care. Doctors and hospitals practice sooooo much defensive medicine. Malpractice insurance for some doctors is over $150,000 per year, and one wonders why some procedures are expensive.

But this president and Nancy Pelosi will not allow anyone to touch the lawyers. How will they finance their reelection campaigns?

If health care was such a moral imperative, legislate some meaningful tort reform. Loser pays, caps on claims. Two simple things that would immediately help.

I personally knew (I lost touch with her over the years) a young married lady with two children. She used to come to hear a ountry band I was playing in and she would dance all night long with her husband.

She needed an operation in one of her legs. I forget the details but it had something to do with removing a vain. The doctor at the Altoona hospital removed a main artery by mistake. The next day her leg turned black.

The next day, they had to remover her leg !

Now Joe, What cap would you put on that ?

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:50 pm

I support tort reform. I'd fix it so you don't sue the doctor, you sue the system. Dr. Suprathanasbutra leaves a sponge in you, and the next day he's pumping your gas in a shirt that has "Arawathanputra" printed in a little patch on the breast pocket.

And the CEO has to settle for a 39-foot yacht instead of a 70-footer.

--->JMS

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:10 pm

Hawk wrote:
undercoverjoe wrote:How do you socialists out there feel about tort reform. The democrats protect that with their lives, political lives that is cause those trial lawyers sure give a lot of money to the democrats.

There should be major tort reform and that would be a huge step in bringing down the cost of health care. Doctors and hospitals practice sooooo much defensive medicine. Malpractice insurance for some doctors is over $150,000 per year, and one wonders why some procedures are expensive.

But this president and Nancy Pelosi will not allow anyone to touch the lawyers. How will they finance their reelection campaigns?

If health care was such a moral imperative, legislate some meaningful tort reform. Loser pays, caps on claims. Two simple things that would immediately help.
I personally knew (I lost touch with her over the years) a young married lady with two children. She used to come to hear a ountry band I was playing in and she would dance all night long with her husband.

She needed an operation in one of her legs. I forget the details but it had something to do with removing a vain. The doctor at the Altoona hospital removed a main artery by mistake. The next day her leg turned black.

The next day, they had to remover her leg !

Now Joe, What cap would you put on that ?

You are making it sound like every person in America is like that. What do you do about people people with Munchausen syndrome? There are always ones who go through the cracks, but, not every incident is a justifiable one. It is the people who like to sue for anything and everything that cause things to happen. Tort reform will stop that and make it so the cost doesn't go belly high.

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:59 pm

f.sciarrillo wrote:
Hawk wrote:
undercoverjoe wrote:How do you socialists out there feel about tort reform. The democrats protect that with their lives, political lives that is cause those trial lawyers sure give a lot of money to the democrats.

There should be major tort reform and that would be a huge step in bringing down the cost of health care. Doctors and hospitals practice sooooo much defensive medicine. Malpractice insurance for some doctors is over $150,000 per year, and one wonders why some procedures are expensive.

But this president and Nancy Pelosi will not allow anyone to touch the lawyers. How will they finance their reelection campaigns?

If health care was such a moral imperative, legislate some meaningful tort reform. Loser pays, caps on claims. Two simple things that would immediately help.
I personally knew (I lost touch with her over the years) a young married lady with two children. She used to come to hear a ountry band I was playing in and she would dance all night long with her husband.

She needed an operation in one of her legs. I forget the details but it had something to do with removing a vain. The doctor at the Altoona hospital removed a main artery by mistake. The next day her leg turned black.

The next day, they had to remover her leg !

Now Joe, What cap would you put on that ?
You are making it sound like every person in America is like that. What do you do about people people with Munchausen syndrome? There are always ones who go through the cracks, but, not every incident is a justifiable one. It is the people who like to sue for anything and everything that cause things to happen. Tort reform will stop that and make it so the cost doesn't go belly high.

Dance around the question all you want, but not answer it.

I'm getting used to that from you. You do that a lot.

I'm still waiting for what regulations you recommend to bring costs down ?

Give me an actual percentage of frivolous law suits Vs. ones like the one I used as an example ?

What the hell does Munchausen have to do with tort reform ? Can you give me some facts about people with Munchausen suing doctors for malpractice ?

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:18 pm

Hawk wrote:
undercoverjoe wrote:How do you socialists out there feel about tort reform. The democrats protect that with their lives, political lives that is cause those trial lawyers sure give a lot of money to the democrats.

There should be major tort reform and that would be a huge step in bringing down the cost of health care. Doctors and hospitals practice sooooo much defensive medicine. Malpractice insurance for some doctors is over $150,000 per year, and one wonders why some procedures are expensive.

But this president and Nancy Pelosi will not allow anyone to touch the lawyers. How will they finance their reelection campaigns?

If health care was such a moral imperative, legislate some meaningful tort reform. Loser pays, caps on claims. Two simple things that would immediately help.
I personally knew (I lost touch with her over the years) a young married lady with two children. She used to come to hear a ountry band I was playing in and she would dance all night long with her husband.

She needed an operation in one of her legs. I forget the details but it had something to do with removing a vain. The doctor at the Altoona hospital removed a main artery by mistake. The next day her leg turned black.

The next day, they had to remover her leg !

Now Joe, What cap would you put on that ?

She should sue for 67 zillion, billion dollars. Then all doctor's malpractice goes up, all our doctor bills go up and all of our insurance premiums go up. Fair. OH, and the lawyers make a third, and give a good portion to their democrat party candidate. That is the way it is now.

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:24 pm

Hawk wrote:
f.sciarrillo wrote:
Hawk wrote: I personally knew (I lost touch with her over the years) a young married lady with two children. She used to come to hear a ountry band I was playing in and she would dance all night long with her husband.

She needed an operation in one of her legs. I forget the details but it had something to do with removing a vain. The doctor at the Altoona hospital removed a main artery by mistake. The next day her leg turned black.

The next day, they had to remover her leg !

Now Joe, What cap would you put on that ?
You are making it sound like every person in America is like that. What do you do about people people with Munchausen syndrome? There are always ones who go through the cracks, but, not every incident is a justifiable one. It is the people who like to sue for anything and everything that cause things to happen. Tort reform will stop that and make it so the cost doesn't go belly high.
Dance around the question all you want, but not answer it. I'm getting used to that from you. You do that a lot.

I'm still waiting for what regulations you recommend to bring costs down ?

Give me an actual percentage of frivolous law suits Vs. ones like the one I used as an example ?

What the hell does Munchausen have to do with tort reform ? Can you give me some facts about people with Munchausen suing doctors for malpractice ?

Munchhausen was a point that there people who go to the doctor all the time with no issues at all. And they are part of what is driving the cost up because us tax always get screwed with the bill in the long run.

And to regulate the cost they need to get the malpractice suits taken care, weed out the false and stick with the real.

Your case is just give it to everybody and the tax payers pay for it all no matter what. You are looking at the socialist way and I am looking at the capitalist way ..

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:57 pm

f.sciarrillo wrote:
Hawk wrote:
f.sciarrillo wrote: You are making it sound like every person in America is like that. What do you do about people people with Munchausen syndrome? There are always ones who go through the cracks, but, not every incident is a justifiable one. It is the people who like to sue for anything and everything that cause things to happen. Tort reform will stop that and make it so the cost doesn't go belly high.
Dance around the question all you want, but not answer it. I'm getting used to that from you. You do that a lot.

I'm still waiting for what regulations you recommend to bring costs down ?

Give me an actual percentage of frivolous law suits Vs. ones like the one I used as an example ?

What the hell does Munchausen have to do with tort reform ? Can you give me some facts about people with Munchausen suing doctors for malpractice ?
Munchhausen was a point that there people who go to the doctor all the time with no issues at all. And they are part of what is driving the cost up because us tax always get screwed with the bill in the long run.

And to regulate the cost they need to get the malpractice suits taken care, weed out the false and stick with the real.

Your case is just give it to everybody and the tax payers pay for it all no matter what. You are looking at the socialist way and I am looking at the capitalist way ..

Munchauhausan: Raises the cost of insurance premiums, not taxes. What is the percentage of Munchauhausan cases ?

"Weed out the false and stick to the real". Isn't that what a jury does ?

My case is not and never has been free health care to everyone. Do you not know how to read or do you just make stuff up ?

For the insurance companies to have no competition goes against pure capitalism . It is therefore NOT capitalism.

A government option (of which you do not have to partake) will provide compitition. That is what will bring down prices.

About the girl who now has one leg, you STILL have NOT given an answer. What should the cap be ?

So far you have come up with no regulations that will cut costs and lower premiums. Why not ?

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:53 pm

Hawk wrote: About the girl who now has one leg, you STILL have NOT given an answer. What should the cap be ?

She would have no choice when government controls healthcare. The people who attempt to sue government have such a great track record. Not. Can't sue city hall and the fed would just laugh at your.

Let a panel of experts determine the cap, just like experts came up with a monetary settlement for those whose died on 9/11, what do you think should be done?

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:13 am

undercoverjoe wrote:
Hawk wrote: About the girl who now has one leg, you STILL have NOT given an answer. What should the cap be ?

She would have no choice when government controls healthcare. The people who attempt to sue government have such a great track record. Not. Can't sue city hall and the fed would just laugh at your.

Let a panel of experts determine the cap, just like experts came up with a monetary settlement for those whose died on 9/11, what do you think should be done?

She wouldn't sue her insurer, she would sue the doctor . BTW she settled out of court. The doctor continued "practicing".

No cap. Let a jury decide if it can't be settled.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:21 am

Hawk wrote:
undercoverjoe wrote:
Hawk wrote: About the girl who now has one leg, you STILL have NOT given an answer. What should the cap be ?

She would have no choice when government controls healthcare. The people who attempt to sue government have such a great track record. Not. Can't sue city hall and the fed would just laugh at your.

Let a panel of experts determine the cap, just like experts came up with a monetary settlement for those whose died on 9/11, what do you think should be done?
She wouldn't sue her insurer, she would sue the doctor . BTW she settled out of court. The doctor continued "practicing".

No cap. Let a jury decide if it can't be settled.

Suing the doctor is just suing his malpractice insurer. So you want no change and want rich trial lawyers to get richer. Well they do give lots of money to your favorite party.

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:25 am

undercoverjoe wrote:
Hawk wrote:
undercoverjoe wrote: She would have no choice when government controls healthcare. The people who attempt to sue government have such a great track record. Not. Can't sue city hall and the fed would just laugh at your.

Let a panel of experts determine the cap, just like experts came up with a monetary settlement for those whose died on 9/11, what do you think should be done?
She wouldn't sue her insurer, she would sue the doctor . BTW she settled out of court. The doctor continued "practicing".

No cap. Let a jury decide if it can't be settled.
Suing the doctor is just suing his malpractice insurer. So you want no change and want rich trial lawyers to get richer. Well they do give lots of money to your favorite party.

I can't help what the trial lawyers get. But I put my faith in a jury. It's not a perfect system, but it is the best system in the world.

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 4:42 pm

His speech last night was the same broken rhetoric he has been spewing for the past couple of months. He has still yet to explain exactly how this is going to be paid for. I like the 92% of other Americans have not had my mind changed. Get tort reform in there as well as the other things I outlined, including making sure that illegals will not be included; then I will agree with whatever they want to do.

A cap on the out of pocket expense, not being able to be turned down because of previous illness, and not being able to be dropped half way through recovery all appeal to me. And having the individual suing pay for all cost if they lose (it was said about 50%, but I think they should pay for all) will help lower the frivolous law suits and help bring the costs down ...

tornandfrayed · Post by **tornandfrayed** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:19 pm

I hurt my head the other day. I woke up in my America and people were trying to come here because they heard that it was the "Land of the Free and the HOme of the Brave". The other Americans called them illegals and threw them out even though they were just trying to make a better life. The other Americans said that this is mine and you cannot even have a part of it because I am afraid.

I heard that torte reform is on the bill but then I know that if we get a public option that does not mean that you will lose the health care that you love so much. It just means that we will have a public option that will be avail;able for those who do not have the great coverage that you guys all have. I liken it to car insurance in the respect that I know all of you keep full coverage on all your vehicles even after they are paid off because that is your right as an American. But some of us drop to to what is required by law cause we ain't got the big bucks to keep that full coverage floating..

I can't get away from the fear and my head hurts because in my America we have gone from reaching out and being the light of the world to being a country that has a large group of people who are only focused opn how is this going to effect me? What do I get from it? Do you not realize that you get to keep your insurance? That no one wants to "run" the health care system? That is weird....

The numbers are what they are but my head still hurts cause my country hurts. My country is terrified and many of the people that I love are showing their true colors. This pains me.

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:26 pm

There is a difference between illegal immigrants and legal immigrants. If you have no right to be in this country then you have no right to ha♦ve any part of what I work for ..

As long as this Pres is running this country into the ground, my head will hurt ..