Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 5:47 pm

shredder138 wrote:Is murder legal yet?

If they make abortions part of government spending it will be, per se ...

hicksjd9 · Post by **hicksjd9** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 6:16 pm

Tornandfrayed,

You seem to be a well-meaning person and I respect your faith, but I just can't figure you out. In my experience Christianity and liberalism are anethema to each other. I can't figure out how you marry the two in your life. James 1:8 says "A double minded man is unstable in all his ways." Some day you have to explain to me how you can support a party that espouses abortion and gay marriage and attacks people of faith as extremists and lauds atheists as practical and level headed. According the the text of the bible (in plain black and white), these things are decidedly frowned upon/wrong (and don't get me wrong, I'm not saying homosexuality is any worse than adultery or fornication. I am saying that unlike homosexuality, no one is trying to get the government to put its stamp of approval on adultery and sex outside of wedlock). I personally don't care what people do with their lives (I only feel responsible for my own actions), but if I were more devout, I certainly couldn't support people who were leading our country toward espousng these things.

I want to emphasize that this is not a personal attack on you. I am just honestly curious to understand how you marry these two parts of your life.

I relation to our president: The people who call Barack Obama the messiah are making fun of how in love liberals are with everything "Barack." Many people have the impression that Democrats think Barack is going to solve all the world's problems with a single sweep of his holy, miraculous hand.

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 6:30 pm

hicksjd9 wrote:Tornandfrayed,

You seem to be a well-meaning person and I respect your faith, but I just can't figure you out. In my experience Christianity and liberalism are anethema to each other. I can't figure out how you marry the two in your life. James 1:8 says "A double minded man is unstable in all his ways." Some day you have to explain to me how you can support a party that espouses abortion and gay marriage and attacks people of faith as extremists and lauds atheists as practical and level headed. According the the text of the bible (in plain black and white), these things are decidedly frowned upon/wrong (and don't get me wrong, I'm not saying homosexuality is any worse than adultery or fornication. I am saying that unlike homosexuality, no one is trying to get the government to put its stamp of approval on adultery and sex outside of wedlock). I personally don't care what people do with their lives (I only feel responsible for my own actions), but if I were more devout, I certainly couldn't support people who were leading our country toward espousng these things.

I want to emphasize that this is not a personal attack on you. I am just honestly curious to understand how you marry these two parts of your life.

I relation to our president: The people who call Barack Obama the messiah are making fun of how in love liberals are with everything "Barack." Many people have the impression that Democrats think Barack is going to solve all the world's problems with a single sweep of his holy, miraculous hand.

Religious liberals can think for themselves and are often not one issue voters. The God loving Republicans have proved themselves to be hypocrites over and over. Many of them use the name of God for the sole purpose of getting votes. But they don't (usually) get mine, unless they warrant it.

I care about all people, Obama and many democrats blend with my ideology on that. Anti abortionists seem to care about the unborn until they are born. Then...nothing.

Bush had more Americans unnecessarily killed in action in an unjust war. Yet the conservatives have no problem with that. That is killing.

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 6:46 pm

Hawk wrote:
hicksjd9 wrote:Tornandfrayed,

You seem to be a well-meaning person and I respect your faith, but I just can't figure you out. In my experience Christianity and liberalism are anethema to each other. I can't figure out how you marry the two in your life. James 1:8 says "A double minded man is unstable in all his ways." Some day you have to explain to me how you can support a party that espouses abortion and gay marriage and attacks people of faith as extremists and lauds atheists as practical and level headed. According the the text of the bible (in plain black and white), these things are decidedly frowned upon/wrong (and don't get me wrong, I'm not saying homosexuality is any worse than adultery or fornication. I am saying that unlike homosexuality, no one is trying to get the government to put its stamp of approval on adultery and sex outside of wedlock). I personally don't care what people do with their lives (I only feel responsible for my own actions), but if I were more devout, I certainly couldn't support people who were leading our country toward espousng these things.

I want to emphasize that this is not a personal attack on you. I am just honestly curious to understand how you marry these two parts of your life.

I relation to our president: The people who call Barack Obama the messiah are making fun of how in love liberals are with everything "Barack." Many people have the impression that Democrats think Barack is going to solve all the world's problems with a single sweep of his holy, miraculous hand.
Religious liberals can think for themselves and are often not one issue voters. The God loving Republicans have proved themselves to be hypocrites over and over. Many of them use the name of God for the sole purpose of getting votes. But they don't (usually) get mine, unless they warrant it.

I care about all people, Obama and many democrats blend with my ideology on that. Anti abortionists seem to care about the unborn until they are born. Then...nothing.

Bush had more Americans unnecessarily killed in action in an unjust war. Yet the conservatives have no problem with that. That is killing.

Do you want to put religion in with this? O.k .. Look at and read the bible "Closely". Everything that is justified as a christian view is not the liberal view. You may care about people and I believe obama does also, he has some good intentions, but his way of doing it is not going to work. Making this country a socialist country does not fix anything.

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:42 pm

Okay, we've established that some Rockpagers read the Bible and many other Rockpagers read Atlas Shrugged.

Dragan Kalasa · Post by **Dragan Kalasa** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:55 pm

I think they need to redefine seperation of church and state and stick a solid wedge through them. Bleeding one into the other is a big problem for me. All rationality and realism is lost when you combine the two.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 10:08 pm

Dragan Kalasa wrote:I think they need to redefine seperation of church and state and stick a solid wedge through them. Bleeding one into the other is a big problem for me. All rationality and realism is lost when you combine the two.

Just to be a devil's advocate, who is they? What do you think the original definition is before They redefine it?

Could you explain what you perceive as bleeding one into the other?

When democrats push abortion, is that combining government with anti-religion?

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 10:52 pm

f.sciarrillo wrote:
Hawk wrote:
hicksjd9 wrote:Tornandfrayed,

You seem to be a well-meaning person and I respect your faith, but I just can't figure you out. In my experience Christianity and liberalism are anethema to each other. I can't figure out how you marry the two in your life. James 1:8 says "A double minded man is unstable in all his ways." Some day you have to explain to me how you can support a party that espouses abortion and gay marriage and attacks people of faith as extremists and lauds atheists as practical and level headed. According the the text of the bible (in plain black and white), these things are decidedly frowned upon/wrong (and don't get me wrong, I'm not saying homosexuality is any worse than adultery or fornication. I am saying that unlike homosexuality, no one is trying to get the government to put its stamp of approval on adultery and sex outside of wedlock). I personally don't care what people do with their lives (I only feel responsible for my own actions), but if I were more devout, I certainly couldn't support people who were leading our country toward espousng these things.

I want to emphasize that this is not a personal attack on you. I am just honestly curious to understand how you marry these two parts of your life.

I relation to our president: The people who call Barack Obama the messiah are making fun of how in love liberals are with everything "Barack." Many people have the impression that Democrats think Barack is going to solve all the world's problems with a single sweep of his holy, miraculous hand.
Religious liberals can think for themselves and are often not one issue voters. The God loving Republicans have proved themselves to be hypocrites over and over. Many of them use the name of God for the sole purpose of getting votes. But they don't (usually) get mine, unless they warrant it.

I care about all people, Obama and many democrats blend with my ideology on that. Anti abortionists seem to care about the unborn until they are born. Then...nothing.

Bush had more Americans unnecessarily killed in action in an unjust war. Yet the conservatives have no problem with that. That is killing.
Do you want to put religion in with this? O.k .. Look at and read the bible "Closely". Everything that is justified as a christian view is not the liberal view. You may care about people and I believe obama does also, he has some good intentions, but his way of doing it is not going to work. Making this country a socialist country does not fix anything.

Sorry, you lost me here. What is the christian view as stated in the bible and what is the liberal view ?

Why is a public option more socialist than the roads you drive on ?

Why are you afraid of the public "option" when no one needs to choose it ? Everyone is free to choose their own insurance.

Baucus' bill is a joke. He is obviously well paid by the insurance industry.

Dragan Kalasa · Post by **Dragan Kalasa** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 11:11 pm

undercoverjoe wrote:
Dragan Kalasa wrote:I think they need to redefine seperation of church and state and stick a solid wedge through them. Bleeding one into the other is a big problem for me. All rationality and realism is lost when you combine the two.
Just to be a devil's advocate, who is they? What do you think the original definition is before They redefine it?

Could you explain what you perceive as bleeding one into the other?

When democrats push abortion, is that combining government with anti-religion?

"They" being the government. Being that seperation of church and state is derived from the first amendment and not an amendment itself:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . .

Yet, they base a lot of their laws, arguments, whatever solely on moral christianity. This country was founded on religious freedom and escape from Britian rule. We're acting like the new Britian in condemning people for their beliefs because it's against or alongside of the government. So basically let's look at it this way..."In God We Trust". To every Christian living, no one sees what's wrong with it. Maybe a Hindu, Muslim, Atheist, Satanic, Druid, Greek, Nordic, whatever has a problem with it? To me "In God we Trust" God is nameless and faceless and yet all powerful. So there shouldn't be a problem with it. To me God is not a name, it's a rank. Which as a side-note. People who worship Satan is also Christian, just a different type, like Luthern, Baptist, Zion, and so forth. Anyway...

As far as bleeding one into another...first...the huge debate over whether "In God We Trust" should be on a coin. Second, the pledge of allegience battle. Third, George W. Bush...especially using the term "crusade" so lightly in his fight against terrorism. I don't need to tell you about the crusades...you should know that. Question for you, since George W. Bush pretty much waged this war in the name of God, is that insenuating (<- probably spelled that wrong) that people who didn't like the war or was against it was against God himself?

As far as abortion, I don't agree with abortion for any reason (rape, incest, whatever). However, I don't believe a law should be made about it. First, no one can agree on the term "life" (conception? a certain tri-mester? when certain organs form?). Hell, no one can even time exactly when conception is!So until that term is understood as socially definite throughout the US, then I think it should stop right there. Second, what's going to prevent people from doing it black-market style, go to Mexico, or someone just repeatedly punching someone in the stomach? And then we'll be bitchin about the cost of health insurance because this girl got a botched, black market abortion. We could throw them in jail...and pay taxes to keep that girl locked behind bars. Think of it like the legalizing pot debate, only dealing with lives...maybe, depending on your definition of life.

Then again as I was always told...Freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from religion.

And just so you realize...I was asked about my opinions. I am not saying I'm right and I'm not saying I'm wrong. These are my beliefs and I hold true to them. Again, in no way am I degrading someone elses beliefs. That is not my intention. It's just an opinionated reply.

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 11:27 pm

So what song's been stuck in everyone's head lately? I can't get Satriani's Borg Sex out of my head. Joe just blends such an interesting array of effects and stellar playing. I think it's my favorite Satriani tune, right after Flying in a Blue Dream, of course.

slackin@dabass · Post by **slackin@dabass** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:01 am

Hawk wrote:
slackin@dabass wrote:
Hawk wrote:USA Health Care:

Just released today: From Harvard Medical School Study

http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNe ... W520090917

45 Thousand American citizens die annually because of lack of health care.

Most (unlike common thinking) people won't go to a doctor if they can't afford it. By the time they are so sick that they need to go to the emergency room, it's to late. AND it cost YOU more because YOU pay the the emergency visit!

Are you OK with that ? Or do YOU have a solution ?

i have a solution. evolution. natural selection. seems right. you could pray to god, but you might have better luck praying to satan.
You are starting to annoy me with your constant degrading references to God. I've been ignoring them, but you won't let up, bringing it into threads that have nothing to do with religion.

As a Catholic I do feel sorry for you. If you don't believe, that's your choice. But you need not continue to insult me, my religion or my God. Thanks.

anytime a right winger mentions abortion, they base it on religion. there is a separation of church and state in this country, so the "god says don't kill, but we're going to fight a war and kill people" argument doesn't work. sorry to offend. sometimes, my filter doesn't work.

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:09 pm

slackin@dabass wrote:
Hawk wrote:
slackin@dabass wrote:

i have a solution. evolution. natural selection. seems right. you could pray to god, but you might have better luck praying to satan.
You are starting to annoy me with your constant degrading references to God. I've been ignoring them, but you won't let up, bringing it into threads that have nothing to do with religion.

As a Catholic I do feel sorry for you. If you don't believe, that's your choice. But you need not continue to insult me, my religion or my God. Thanks.

anytime a right winger mentions abortion, they base it on religion. there is a separation of church and state in this country, so the "god says don't kill, but we're going to fight a war and kill people" argument doesn't work. sorry to offend. sometimes, my filter doesn't work.

Not all right wingers base anti-abortion on religion. Killing is killing, even if one has no religion. Some believe the fetus is human. To abort it would be killing it (if you believe it is a live human being).

Fighting a war is a necessary way to defend ourselves. And it doesn't go against religious morals.

Bush's preemptive war based on lies was immoral.

I do get annoyed when the religious right are against abortion yet for capitol punishment.

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:20 pm

BILL O'RIELLY FOR PUBLIC OPTION

I was going to start a thread for this, but...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/1 ... 90658.html

There are many links, but this one has both written dialog and a video.

Enjoy

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 3:04 pm

Hawk wrote:BILL O'RIELLY FOR PUBLIC OPTION

I was going to start a thread for this, but...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/1 ... 90658.html

There are many links, but this one has both written dialog and a video.

Enjoy

Since when do you care what a neo-conservative thinks? O'Reilly is also against all the deficit spending by B. Hussein, should we stop that?

shredder138 · Post by **shredder138** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 3:49 pm

f.sciarrillo wrote:
shredder138 wrote:Is murder legal yet?
If they make abortions part of government spending it will be, per se ...

I say bullshit to that

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:28 pm

undercoverjoe wrote:
Hawk wrote:BILL O'RIELLY FOR PUBLIC OPTION

I was going to start a thread for this, but...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/1 ... 90658.html

There are many links, but this one has both written dialog and a video.

Enjoy
Since when do you care what a neo-conservative thinks? O'Reilly is also against all the deficit spending by B. Hussein, should we stop that?

I am aloud to, and I do, care about what he says. I just don't always agree with him. This is the same respect you get from me.

You have to admit, that if Bill O' is for a public option, that is news for Rockpage politics.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:10 pm

Hawk wrote:BILL O'RIELLY FOR PUBLIC OPTION

I was going to start a thread for this, but...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/1 ... 90658.html

There are many links, but this one has both written dialog and a video.

Enjoy

Of course, Arianna & friends abruptly cut the video where it served them best. If you watch the entire video, O'Reilly describes what he is "for" in the following paragraph.

The idea of a public marketplace (I called it a "registry" in another thread) "where a bunch of insurance companies come together to offer lower premiums...that's a good thing." That is NOT the public option.

Here is the full interview:

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/09/17/vid ... ly-factor/

Enjoy

slackin@dabass · Post by **slackin@dabass** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 11:01 pm

Hawk wrote:
slackin@dabass wrote:
Hawk wrote: You are starting to annoy me with your constant degrading references to God. I've been ignoring them, but you won't let up, bringing it into threads that have nothing to do with religion.

As a Catholic I do feel sorry for you. If you don't believe, that's your choice. But you need not continue to insult me, my religion or my God. Thanks.

anytime a right winger mentions abortion, they base it on religion. there is a separation of church and state in this country, so the "god says don't kill, but we're going to fight a war and kill people" argument doesn't work. sorry to offend. sometimes, my filter doesn't work.
Not all right wingers base anti-abortion on religion. Killing is killing, even if one has no religion. Some believe the fetus is human. To abort it would be killing it (if you believe it is a live human being).

Fighting a war is a necessary way to defend ourselves. And it doesn't go against religious morals.

Bush's preemptive war based on lies was immoral.

I do get annoyed when the religious right are against abortion yet for capitol punishment.

what about the 10 commandments? thou shalt not kill. and the same people that base abortion on religion are usually the ones against gay sex for the same reasons. i want people and government out of my fucking life. the government is in place to aid in my pursuit of happiness, not take half my pay check and give it to people to lazy to work and fund stupid laws against gay people getting married and people that made a mistake and got pregnant by accident because they just happened to be within the 2% that dosn't work when you use birth control, so they decided to take the moral high road and not bring a baby into the world that they can't afford to provide a decent life for. keep your nose and your government out of my life, please (that's not aimed at you bill, just a generalization).

hicksjd9 · Post by **hicksjd9** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:40 am

Not sure how abortion and capital punishment are the same. The difference hinges on innocence.

A baby doesn't have the chance to kill someone or lots of people.

I think that's why many of the people on the religious right who are against abortion support capital punishment.

Thou shalt not kill does not apply to governments. Otherwise war wouldn't have been condoned in the old testament. That's another reason why capital punishment falls outside of "thou shall not kill." If you think about it, war is just government sanctioned murder.

I'd be all for capital punishment if the person is unquestionably guilty. The problem is that, all too often, there isn't concrete evidence. I personally think capital punishment should be outlawed for this reason.

slackin@dabass · Post by **slackin@dabass** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:59 am

hicksjd9 wrote:Not sure how abortion and capital punishment are the same. The difference hinges on innocence.

A baby doesn't have the chance to kill someone or lots of people.

I think that's why many of the people on the religious right who are against abortion support capital punishment.

Thou shalt not kill does not apply to governments. Otherwise war wouldn't have been condoned in the old testament. That's another reason why capital punishment falls outside of "thou shall not kill." If you think about it, war is just government sanctioned murder.

I'd be all for capital punishment if the person is unquestionably guilty. The problem is that, all too often, there isn't concrete evidence. I personally think capital punishment should be outlawed for this reason.

killing is killing regardless of it being an infant, an old person, a murderer or anything else. the bible does not say thou shalt not kill unless it's during war or as punishment.

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:15 am

slackin@dabass wrote:
hicksjd9 wrote:Not sure how abortion and capital punishment are the same. The difference hinges on innocence.

A baby doesn't have the chance to kill someone or lots of people.

I think that's why many of the people on the religious right who are against abortion support capital punishment.

Thou shalt not kill does not apply to governments. Otherwise war wouldn't have been condoned in the old testament. That's another reason why capital punishment falls outside of "thou shall not kill." If you think about it, war is just government sanctioned murder.

I'd be all for capital punishment if the person is unquestionably guilty. The problem is that, all too often, there isn't concrete evidence. I personally think capital punishment should be outlawed for this reason.

killing is killing regardless of it being an infant, an old person, a murderer or anything else. the bible does not say thou shalt not kill unless it's during war or as punishment.

Show me where it says that?

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:43 am

hicksjd9 wrote:Not sure how abortion and capital punishment are the same. The difference hinges on innocence.

A baby doesn't have the chance to kill someone or lots of people.

I think that's why many of the people on the religious right who are against abortion support capital punishment.

Thou shalt not kill does not apply to governments. Otherwise war wouldn't have been condoned in the old testament. That's another reason why capital punishment falls outside of "thou shall not kill." If you think about it, war is just government sanctioned murder.

I'd be all for capital punishment if the person is unquestionably guilty. The problem is that, all too often, there isn't concrete evidence. I personally think capital punishment should be outlawed for this reason.

If a human being is proved guilty, all we need to do is protect ourselves from him, we should have no right to take a life. Just my opinion.

Government is not outside this law.

Protecting one's tribe, city, country, etc., in other words, defending your people is a reason to kill.

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:53 pm

Hawk wrote:
hicksjd9 wrote:Not sure how abortion and capital punishment are the same. The difference hinges on innocence.

A baby doesn't have the chance to kill someone or lots of people.

I think that's why many of the people on the religious right who are against abortion support capital punishment.

Thou shalt not kill does not apply to governments. Otherwise war wouldn't have been condoned in the old testament. That's another reason why capital punishment falls outside of "thou shall not kill." If you think about it, war is just government sanctioned murder.

I'd be all for capital punishment if the person is unquestionably guilty. The problem is that, all too often, there isn't concrete evidence. I personally think capital punishment should be outlawed for this reason.
If a human being is proved guilty, all we need to do is protect ourselves from him, we should have no right to take a life. Just my opinion.

Government is not outside this law.

Protecting one's tribe, city, country, etc., in other words, defending your people is a reason to kill.

Frankly, I still think lethal injection is too humane ...

slackin@dabass · Post by **slackin@dabass** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:06 pm

f.sciarrillo wrote:
slackin@dabass wrote:
hicksjd9 wrote:Not sure how abortion and capital punishment are the same. The difference hinges on innocence.

A baby doesn't have the chance to kill someone or lots of people.

I think that's why many of the people on the religious right who are against abortion support capital punishment.

Thou shalt not kill does not apply to governments. Otherwise war wouldn't have been condoned in the old testament. That's another reason why capital punishment falls outside of "thou shall not kill." If you think about it, war is just government sanctioned murder.

I'd be all for capital punishment if the person is unquestionably guilty. The problem is that, all too often, there isn't concrete evidence. I personally think capital punishment should be outlawed for this reason.

killing is killing regardless of it being an infant, an old person, a murderer or anything else. the bible does not say thou shalt not kill unless it's during war or as punishment.
Show me where it says that?

exodus 20:1-17 reads:

And God spoke all these words, saying: "I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

1. You shall have no other gods before me.

2. You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

5. Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

6. You shall not murder.

7. You shall not commit adultery.

8. You shall not steal.

9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

10. You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s."

pretty cut and dry. don't kill don't cheat on your significant other, don't steal and don't lie. it dosn't say it's ok to kill to defend yourself or your country.

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:29 pm

slackin@dabass wrote:
f.sciarrillo wrote:
slackin@dabass wrote:
killing is killing regardless of it being an infant, an old person, a murderer or anything else. the bible does not say thou shalt not kill unless it's during war or as punishment.
Show me where it says that?

exodus 20:1-17 reads:

And God spoke all these words, saying: "I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

1. You shall have no other gods before me.

2. You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

5. Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

6. You shall not murder.

7. You shall not commit adultery.

8. You shall not steal.

9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

10. You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s."

pretty cut and dry. don't kill don't cheat on your significant other, don't steal and don't lie. it dosn't say it's ok to kill to defend yourself or your country.

Your ignorance of the bible is astounding. God (in trhe bible) consistantly gave strength to the Jews (in battle) in the old testament.