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Does the negativity on the News affect the economy / bands

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When Democrats are in power, Fox seems to be about doom and gloom. When the Republicans are in power, MSNBC seems to be about doom and gloom.

They make big things out of little things (just my opinion) and the rest of the media seems to get caught up in the wind.

Radio is full of political doom and gloom.

So who wants to go out and have a good time tonight ! :roll:

The constant negative "The USA is falling apart" from both sides (IMO) is having a negative impact on the whole economy.

The bottom line is that if people pay attention to Limbaugh / Olberman types, we end up afraid to do anything but hole up in our house and wait for a collapse of the world as we know it. Either turn on the TV to mindless entertainment or watch the News and spent the evening complaining.

I think this trickle down (don't mean to compare it to Reagan's economic policy) from the "doom" sources, in order to promote scare tactics, in order to rile up their team, is hurting us as a nation. And it trickles down to the venues that used to be full. It can be hard to just go out and relax.

This is NOT meant to be a thread that blames the LEFT or the RIGHT. Just and observation that they both are so negative that they SUCK.

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Does Howdy Doody got wooden balls, man?
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price of raw materials goes up daily income goes down and feel free to quote me .big layoffs already scheduled for jan and fed after restocking of goods. is done. more jobs moving to Texas/Oklahoma and Mexico already in the works Taxes on Amazon.com :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:
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You are correct in that people buy into the rhetoric and now use the current economic status as a reason not to go see bands. We hear that excuse all the time. However, other forms of entertainment regionally are not suffering as badly. The movie theaters are still full and eating out is a form of entertainment in west central PA and the restuarants are still busy on the weekends. This summer, the festivals have seen bigger crowds but corporate sponsorship money was cut back and that is what enables festivals to survive.

I know that we have seen a dramatic drop in attendance at bars for all bands over the last two years and many have cut back on bands due to the econmic situation. Bars and private clubs in general have seen a huge decrease in business and they all attribute it to the economic fear.

What we have seen though is that bars and clubs that serve dinners do better and bars that are smoke free are seeing increases in crowds as well as the bars that have earlier band hours.
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DirtySanchez wrote:Does Howdy Doody got wooden balls, man?
"Why yes, yes he does."

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lonewolf wrote:
DirtySanchez wrote:Does Howdy Doody got wooden balls, man?
"Why yes, yes he does."

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_howdy_do ... oden_balls
You've seen them ? :roll:
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Hawk wrote:
lonewolf wrote:
DirtySanchez wrote:Does Howdy Doody got wooden balls, man?
"Why yes, yes he does."

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_howdy_do ... oden_balls
You've seen them ? :roll:
Okay. I can't resist this one. Does that mean he has a woodpecker?

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moxham123 wrote:You are correct in that people buy into the rhetoric and now use the current economic status as a reason not to go see bands. We hear that excuse all the time. However, other forms of entertainment regionally are not suffering as badly. The movie theaters are still full and eating out is a form of entertainment in west central PA and the restuarants are still busy on the weekends. This summer, the festivals have seen bigger crowds but corporate sponsorship money was cut back and that is what enables festivals to survive.

I know that we have seen a dramatic drop in attendance at bars for all bands over the last two years and many have cut back on bands due to the econmic situation. Bars and private clubs in general have seen a huge decrease in business and they all attribute it to the economic fear.

What we have seen though is that bars and clubs that serve dinners do better and bars that are smoke free are seeing increases in crowds as well as the bars that have earlier band hours.
As a bar owner (or his wife), I disagree with most of this.

Bar business is better than the restaurant business. Non-smoking facilities are hurting more than the smoking ones are right now because the smoking bars are out there and that is where they want to go.

The economy in whole is not causing a decrease. This has happened before when the US went into a recession and/or depression. Alcohol business actually increases. I think if you look at the numbers for alcohol sales in general, you will find that this will still hold true in the past year. Food sales have dropped. Families are not going out to eat as much as they used to or if they are, they are looking for cheap and quick.

Some of the things that have changed that will affect bar business in recent years include home technologies. Take football for a great example. 5-10 years ago, sports bars were the place to be to watch NFL games. With new technologies at affordable prices and DUI crackdowns, people are having their own gatherings in their homes. Going out to watch the games don't happen as much.

I should say that we are not hurting right now and we are holding our own in today's economy. But our band nights have dropped off in attendance. These people that came out before to bands aren't coming out to see them at our place. They will go somewhere else where they can smoke. Take a band like Serious Jones. They can draw a great crowd at Mojo's. Mojo's allows smoking. But when they play at our place, its not quite as big of a turn out.

Local festivals in the Philipsburg/Houtzdale area have seen a huge decrease this year. The vendors were crying the blues. This would even include the Clearfield County Fair. I heard that attendance was really down for it this year as well.

I don't think that people are in "fear" over the economy. I know that personally, I grew up and decided that I need to take responsibility for our own financial shape. It's not the economy or the government that has screwed up our bottom line. It is our fault. Most of the country lives beyond their means and their needs are what other countries would consider luxuries.
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Lisa wrote:As a bar owner (or his wife), I disagree with most of this.
Obviously, your experience is different from what I encounter. Different regions are seeing different things happening. I am also personally heavily involved in many of the regional festivals and work on the committees for promotions as well as my band plays for them and they all have done much better recently with their biggest crowds ever the last two years. I also know what my band deals with regularly at the bar and club scene. You are correct that the playing field for bars and clubs is not equal when it comes to rules and it should be the same for every place.

The bottom line is that the bar, restaurant, and entertainment businesses are all suffereing for many reasons and the economy is only one reason along with many of the others that have been mentioned.

All we can do is hope that things will turn around and get better.
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I've seen attendance at festivals up this year pretty much across the board. Fairs did pretty well in Blair and Huntingdon counties that I know of, with some exceptions for events that scaled back due to lack of upfront funds.
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Hawk wrote:
lonewolf wrote:
DirtySanchez wrote:Does Howdy Doody got wooden balls, man?
"Why yes, yes he does."

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_howdy_do ... oden_balls
You've seen them ? :roll:
I didn't have to. I read it on the internet. It must be true:

{Reposts Link} http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_howdy_do ... oden_balls
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lonewolf wrote:You've seen them ? :roll:
I didn't have to. I read it on the internet. It must be true:

[Reposts Link} http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_howdy_do ... oden_balls[/quote]

Well, that's good enough proof for me! :roll:
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people who like our music are smart enough not to watch the news...so no.
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moxham123 wrote:
lonewolf wrote:You've seen them ? :roll:
I didn't have to. I read it on the internet. It must be true:

[Reposts Link} http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_howdy_do ... oden_balls
Well, that's good enough proof for me! :roll:[/quote]

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I find this interesting.

Say ten years ago or more, if something newsworthy happened, people would ask, "where did you hear that?" The reply would be, "Oh, on the news."

Now, if asked the same thing, a typical reply would be, "I saw it on Fox, CNN, etc..." In conversation its, "what news do you watch?" Often the answer is met with either a big agreeable smile or the rolling of the eyes. WTF is that about?

I can remember a time when the news was in large part reporting of the facts. It was generally network news as well. Nowadays, there isnt much reporting of the facts, but rather facts with some sort of left or right leaning slant. Some are more guilty of it than others....we all know who they are.

I am a news junky. I like to keep informed as best as possible. Id just like the facts please and Ill decide on my own how to decipher it. CNN, FOX, MSNBC and the 24 hour news cycle has created a climate where they are all constantly competing against each other to report the news....the same damn news. But in order for them to be different, there is a political slant and the majority of the time some damn analyst or talking head giving commentary or opinion on the news to fill the time. Its created a big frigin mess and they have now become part of the problem and to a large extent dictate the news and have influence over it. This is just wrong in my opinion.

Im sick of all of it. Im sick of the partisan bickering and the constant lies, distortions and underhanded, dishonest tactics on both sides. The wedge between right and left is about as bad as I have ever seen it and I dont think its ever going to come back around.

Its troubling.
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i still go out a lot but i stay close to home now, that's the big difference for me. love to try Lisa's place but too far to drive. 2 beers you are over the limit. ridiculous maybe but that's the time we live in.

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There is still money here thanks to cong Murtha when the gov contracs go so does the money why would stevie b come here just before christmass :?: to try and suck up some local cash how long will he be here after tax returns :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow:
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Re: Does the negativity on the News affect the economy / ban

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Hawk wrote: The constant negative "The USA is falling apart" from both sides (IMO) is having a negative impact on the whole economy.



that's the problem. our media outlets no longer care to report real news, so they only report on doom and gloom stories to scare the pants off of americans. what can we do about it? that's the real question? boycott fox and msnbc? good luck.


eh, whatever. all i do is make stuff up anymore anyway, and it probably shows in the political threads on here but it's ok, cause i think that's all the media does anyway :lol:
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zman1200 wrote:There is still money here thanks to cong Murtha when the gov contracs go so does the money why would stevie b come here just before christmass :?: to try and suck up some local cash how long will he be here after tax returns :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow:

What did you just say???

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Lisa wrote:
moxham123 wrote:You are correct in that people buy into the rhetoric and now use the current economic status as a reason not to go see bands. We hear that excuse all the time. However, other forms of entertainment regionally are not suffering as badly. The movie theaters are still full and eating out is a form of entertainment in west central PA and the restuarants are still busy on the weekends. This summer, the festivals have seen bigger crowds but corporate sponsorship money was cut back and that is what enables festivals to survive.

I know that we have seen a dramatic drop in attendance at bars for all bands over the last two years and many have cut back on bands due to the econmic situation. Bars and private clubs in general have seen a huge decrease in business and they all attribute it to the economic fear.

What we have seen though is that bars and clubs that serve dinners do better and bars that are smoke free are seeing increases in crowds as well as the bars that have earlier band hours.
As a bar owner (or his wife), I disagree with most of this.

Bar business is better than the restaurant business. Non-smoking facilities are hurting more than the smoking ones are right now because the smoking bars are out there and that is where they want to go.

The economy in whole is not causing a decrease. This has happened before when the US went into a recession and/or depression. Alcohol business actually increases. I think if you look at the numbers for alcohol sales in general, you will find that this will still hold true in the past year. Food sales have dropped. Families are not going out to eat as much as they used to or if they are, they are looking for cheap and quick.

Some of the things that have changed that will affect bar business in recent years include home technologies. Take football for a great example. 5-10 years ago, sports bars were the place to be to watch NFL games. With new technologies at affordable prices and DUI crackdowns, people are having their own gatherings in their homes. Going out to watch the games don't happen as much.

I should say that we are not hurting right now and we are holding our own in today's economy. But our band nights have dropped off in attendance. These people that came out before to bands aren't coming out to see them at our place. They will go somewhere else where they can smoke. Take a band like Serious Jones. They can draw a great crowd at Mojo's. Mojo's allows smoking. But when they play at our place, its not quite as big of a turn out.

Local festivals in the Philipsburg/Houtzdale area have seen a huge decrease this year. The vendors were crying the blues. This would even include the Clearfield County Fair. I heard that attendance was really down for it this year as well.

I don't think that people are in "fear" over the economy. I know that personally, I grew up and decided that I need to take responsibility for our own financial shape. It's not the economy or the government that has screwed up our bottom line. It is our fault. Most of the country lives beyond their means and their needs are what other countries would consider luxuries.
Lisa, do you do the "sports bar" thing on Sunday games? I'd like to come over and check you out?
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Why most certainly! We also have steeler game prizes that you have a chance to win..and if you win, you qualify to win one of two end of the season prizes (a ben fathead and a coleman grill). And on Sunday, our wings are $2.99 (eat in only and must purchase a drink).
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The biggest killer of the modern venue are the DUI arrests. That scares more people than anything.
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Personally, I'm still goin to the bar pretty often. I just do it less according to how my bosses dictate my weekends. I've set it so I'll see more weekends out, depending on who's playing, but that's not as guaranteed as it sounds
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RobTheDrummer wrote:The biggest killer of the modern venue are the DUI arrests. That scares more people than anything.
Totally agree. PA was once one of those places where the cops didn't over-reach. When I first started driving, they weren't allowed to lay in wait for speeders, they had to be visible from the road AND be in a marked car. In fact, unmarked cars were pretty rare and were mostly used for stakeouts and such. I can also hearken back to my drinking days when, if you were parked along the road sleeping it off, they'd cut you slack because you weren't actually driving the car. It happened to me, and a number of friends. Nowadays, it's way different... I actually got my DUI being stopped for a tail-light violation, no weaving, no accident, nothing.
Couple the police-state with a lower legal BAC, and it's a wonder anyone goes to bars.
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