Kennedy on History Channel

DrumAndDestroy · Post by **DrumAndDestroy** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:11 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DB25PkV1Oc

slackin@dabass · Post by **slackin@dabass** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:49 pm

joltinjeff wrote:I am not sure how many watched "3 Shots that Changed America". This was actually film footage from Ft. Worth and Dallas on Nov. 22. The did not show the McGruder film as expected, instead they showed actual eyewitnesses who was standing near the Grassy Knoll and saying that two shots were fired from behind them.
Here is the thing about all of this. Either someone has gotten a conscience about all of this suddenly or somebody did a lot of work on getting the information. These are the same folks that did 132 Days I believe.

Here are the things that bother me - 1. Oswald was only arrested for alledgedly shooting Office Tippett. An hour later, the Chief of Police is saying that he is the one who shot JFK.
2. Why would you bring someone's wife and elderly mother to the jail shortly after the arrest?
3. There was no confession on the part of Oswald, but everyone was saying that he was the one who did it. THe FBI had a subversive list in the Dallas area. But, seemed strange they knew he had gone to Russia and had denounced his US citizenship. The second part of this is when they were leading him from the interrogation room to a cell, he has a helluva black eye with a cut above it. Gee wonder who did that.
4. Seemed funny Jack Ruby was just able to get press creditentials the following morning when they were moving Oswald. He just stood there until Oswald got to him and came out and shot him. One reporter said that there was one officer who shook his head and said "No, No, this cant be happening!"
They had their patsy and killed him.

you saying you believe the conspiracy theories?

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:35 pm

I never really believed Oliver Stone ..

joltinjeff · Post by **joltinjeff** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:35 pm

slackin@dabass wrote:
joltinjeff wrote:I am not sure how many watched "3 Shots that Changed America". This was actually film footage from Ft. Worth and Dallas on Nov. 22. The did not show the McGruder film as expected, instead they showed actual eyewitnesses who was standing near the Grassy Knoll and saying that two shots were fired from behind them.
Here is the thing about all of this. Either someone has gotten a conscience about all of this suddenly or somebody did a lot of work on getting the information. These are the same folks that did 132 Days I believe.

Here are the things that bother me - 1. Oswald was only arrested for alledgedly shooting Office Tippett. An hour later, the Chief of Police is saying that he is the one who shot JFK.
2. Why would you bring someone's wife and elderly mother to the jail shortly after the arrest?
3. There was no confession on the part of Oswald, but everyone was saying that he was the one who did it. THe FBI had a subversive list in the Dallas area. But, seemed strange they knew he had gone to Russia and had denounced his US citizenship. The second part of this is when they were leading him from the interrogation room to a cell, he has a helluva black eye with a cut above it. Gee wonder who did that.
4. Seemed funny Jack Ruby was just able to get press creditentials the following morning when they were moving Oswald. He just stood there until Oswald got to him and came out and shot him. One reporter said that there was one officer who shook his head and said "No, No, this cant be happening!"
They had their patsy and killed him.

you saying you believe the conspiracy theories?

I believe where there is smoke there is fire. It all seemed to easily swept aside. The Warren Commission could only come up with the "magic bullet" theroy. What really bothers me about the entire thing is that every seem to automatically point the finger at Oswald. I am not saying Oswald wasnt involved or programmed might be a better word. No one could account for the smoke and the gunfire that came over a police radio right after the first shot. The second shot came from a different direction, which presumably was the Grassy Knoll. But every account taken from eyewitnesses were disregarded by both the FBI and the Warren Commission.
JFK did not want to get into Vietnam for whatever reason and it cost him his life. Johnson was a reluctant vp and an even more President. It really got to him when he found Vietnam wasnt what he expected. He expected the war to be quick and decisive for Westmoreland and to thwart anymore threats from the Communist. I feel deep down he wanted the Bay of Pigs to turn into something. He got pissed when it didnt turn into what he wanted it to. Besides he had to deal with two Kennedys and he thought J. Edgar Hoover had enough on Bobby to keep his mouth shut.

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:27 am

It was Obama.

--->JMS

Flaw · Post by **Flaw** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:51 am

DrumAndDestroy wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DB25PkV1Oc

insert any punk band from the 80's for a song about Kennedys death.

shredder138 · Post by **shredder138** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:22 pm

Flaw wrote:
DrumAndDestroy wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DB25PkV1Oc

insert any punk band from the 80's for a song about Kennedys death.

Bullet (misfits) kicks ass

JackANSI · Post by **JackANSI** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:30 pm

I can't believe this hasn't shown up yet..

By far my favorite image of the whole thing.

joltinjeff · Post by **joltinjeff** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:56 pm

JackANSI wrote:I can't believe this hasn't shown up yet..

By far my favorite image of the whole thing.

KeithReynolds · Post by **KeithReynolds** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:13 pm

joltinjeff wrote:The did not show the McGruder film as expected.

Its Zapruder. For the guy Abraham Zapruder who filmed it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapruder_film Are you sure you watched the show??

Ive been interested in the conspiracy for a long time now. Ive read books and seen documentaries. One thing screams conspiracy about above all. The headshot. It CLEARLY came from the front. Was some HQ versions of the footage. No question in my mind, the kill shot came from front and to the right like the conspiracy guys say.

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:51 pm

JackANSI wrote:I can't believe this hasn't shown up yet..

By far my favorite image of the whole thing.

That looks like Scot Bakula ...

slackin@dabass · Post by **slackin@dabass** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:54 pm

FourthDimensionAudio wrote:
joltinjeff wrote:The did not show the McGruder film as expected.
Its Zapruder. For the guy Abraham Zapruder who filmed it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapruder_film Are you sure you watched the show??

Ive been interested in the conspiracy for a long time now. Ive read books and seen documentaries. One thing screams conspiracy about above all. The headshot. It CLEARLY came from the front. Was some HQ versions of the footage. No question in my mind, the kill shot came from front and to the right like the conspiracy guys say.

it did not. his head moves back and to the left. when a bullet enters a skull it makes a small hole. not much damage. it's when the bullet passes through the brain and turns the brain into liquid. as the bullet exits the skull it pulls the now liquid brain matter along with it, creating a small jet like propulsion the forces the head in the direction the bullet came from. really, i saw penn and teller do this with a honeydew melon wrapped in fiberglass tape and the honeydew melon moved in the direction the bullet came from. was it a conspiracy? i dunno. but i'm pretty sure the headshot that did the pres. in was shot from oswald in the book depository.

on a side note, i really can't believe the conspriacy theory because people still haven't come forward and admitted it was a conspiracy. if nixon couldn't keep watergate on the DL, i'm pretty sure that no one could keep the kennedy assasination quiet for almost 50 years.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:14 pm

slackin@dabass wrote:
FourthDimensionAudio wrote:
joltinjeff wrote:The did not show the McGruder film as expected.
Its Zapruder. For the guy Abraham Zapruder who filmed it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapruder_film Are you sure you watched the show??

Ive been interested in the conspiracy for a long time now. Ive read books and seen documentaries. One thing screams conspiracy about above all. The headshot. It CLEARLY came from the front. Was some HQ versions of the footage. No question in my mind, the kill shot came from front and to the right like the conspiracy guys say.

it did not. his head moves back and to the left. when a bullet enters a skull it makes a small hole. not much damage. it's when the bullet passes through the brain and turns the brain into liquid. as the bullet exits the skull it pulls the now liquid brain matter along with it, creating a small jet like propulsion the forces the head in the direction the bullet came from. really, i saw penn and teller do this with a honeydew melon wrapped in fiberglass tape and the honeydew melon moved in the direction the bullet came from. was it a conspiracy? i dunno. but i'm pretty sure the headshot that did the pres. in was shot from oswald in the book depository.

on a side note, i really can't believe the conspriacy theory because people still haven't come forward and admitted it was a conspiracy. if nixon couldn't keep watergate on the DL, i'm pretty sure that no one could keep the kennedy assasination quiet for almost 50 years.

No one could come forward if they are not alive. Do you think they would leave someone alive that could tell the full story?

PanzerFaust · Post by **PanzerFaust** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:30 am

Excellant show.... very sad.....

I always get choked up when I see the shot of John Jr saluting his fathers casket going by on the caisson.... Never realised it was also his 3rd birthday that day.....

very sad indeed.... When I go to DC to see AC/DC this Friday I will as usual stop and pay my respects to JFK and Pappy Boyington in Arlington.....

joltinjeff · Post by **joltinjeff** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:18 pm

FourthDimensionAudio wrote:
joltinjeff wrote:The did not show the McGruder film as expected.
Its Zapruder. For the guy Abraham Zapruder who filmed it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapruder_film Are you sure you watched the show??

Ive been interested in the conspiracy for a long time now. Ive read books and seen documentaries. One thing screams conspiracy about above all. The headshot. It CLEARLY came from the front. Was some HQ versions of the footage. No question in my mind, the kill shot came from front and to the right like the conspiracy guys say.

Post by **Ron** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:16 pm

joltinjeff wrote:
FourthDimensionAudio wrote:
joltinjeff wrote:The did not show the McGruder film as expected.
Its Zapruder. For the guy Abraham Zapruder who filmed it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapruder_film Are you sure you watched the show??

Ive been interested in the conspiracy for a long time now. Ive read books and seen documentaries. One thing screams conspiracy about above all. The headshot. It CLEARLY came from the front. Was some HQ versions of the footage. No question in my mind, the kill shot came from front and to the right like the conspiracy guys say.
YES I DID WATCH THE SHOW! JUST BECAUSE I GOT HIS NAME WRONG DOESNT MEAN I DIDNT WATCH IT!!!!!!! HERE IS THE THING ABOUT THE SHOTS.
1. KENNEDY GRABS AT HIS THROAT AFTER THE FIRST SHOT.
2. THE SECOND SHOT CAMES IN FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE CAUSING KENNEDY'S HEAD TO SNAP BACK
3. THE FINAL SHOT ALSO COMES FROM THE SIDE, POSSIBLY THE GRASSY KNOLL. THE OTHER THING THAT BOTHERS ME IS THAT WHERE WAS THE SECRET SERVICE AGENTS AFTER THE FIRST SHOT? JACKIE IS SCREAMING AND THE AGENTS SEEM TO TAKE FOREVER TO GET THERE. IT HAD BEEN SAID THAT WHILE PLAYING GOLF, THE SECRECT SERVICE USED TO CARRY MACHINE GUNS IN THEIR GOLF BAGS AND KENNEDY SAID THAT NO ONE WAS SILLY ENOUGH TO RUN ACROSS A GOLF COURSE WITH A GUN TO SHOOT HIM. HE TOLD AGENTS SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO USE A RIFLE TO KILL HIM. WAS THIS JUST ENOUGH FOR SOMEONE WITHIN THE SECRET SERVICE TO PASS ALONG THE INFO TO THE CIA OR THE FBI TO KILL KENNEDY? ANOTHER QUESTION IS THAT WHY KILL THE MAN THAT SUPPOSEDLY KILLED THE PRESIDENT? WHAT DID WHOEVER WAS BEHIND ALL OF THIS HAVE OSWALD KILLED? THE ONLY ANSWER I CAN COME UP WITH IS THAT THEY WERE AFRAID HE WOULD BREAK UNDER THE PRESSURE AND TELL THEM EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED? ANOTHER COVERUP. THE FINAL THING IS THAT SINCE ALL OF THIS TOOK PLACE AND THAT BOGUS WARREN COMMISSION REPORT, THE LEADERS OF THIS COUNTRY HAS FOUND WAS OF BLATANTLY LIE TO THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY. SURE IT HAS GONE ON FOR YEARS, BUT JESUS TO KILL SOMEONE BECAUSE YOU THOUGHT HE WAS SOFT ON COMMUNISM, THEN WHY WASNT CLINTON SHOT FOR NOT GETTING BIN LADEN? WHY WASNT BUSH #1 SHOT FOR NOT TAKING OUT HUSSIEN THE FIRST TIME? WHY DIDNT SOMEONE TAKE CARTER OUT WHEN HE WAS SOFT WITH THE IRANIANS? BECAUSE NO ONE WANTED TO DEAL WITH THAT KIND OF THING AGAIN. THEY REALIZED THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WERE A LOT SMARTER THAN THEY TOOK THEM FOR AND SOME SCHMUCK WOULD HAVE FIGURED IT ALL OUT!!

This is the silliest bunch of shouting nonsense I've read in a while.

There were only three shots, and the first one missed entirely. The second hit his throat, the third was the head shot.

Do you really think that if Kennedy hadn't said that it would take a rifle to kill him that the supposed "bad guys" in the Secret Service, CIA and FBI couldn't have figured that out for themselves? "Uh Fred, maybe we should try a rifle instead of this here BB gun!" hahaha.

Jack Ruby killed Oswalt simply because he wanted to be a remembered as a great American hero. He was badly mistaken.

I think it is funny too how the conspiracy theorists think that it could be covered up by killing all of the people involved.

felix'apprentice · Post by **felix'apprentice** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:22 pm

this is my theory .... he died.

jus sayin' lol

- kayla.

joltinjeff · Post by **joltinjeff** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:55 pm

slackin@dabass · Post by **slackin@dabass** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:46 pm

Ron wrote:
joltinjeff wrote:
FourthDimensionAudio wrote: Its Zapruder. For the guy Abraham Zapruder who filmed it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapruder_film Are you sure you watched the show??

Ive been interested in the conspiracy for a long time now. Ive read books and seen documentaries. One thing screams conspiracy about above all. The headshot. It CLEARLY came from the front. Was some HQ versions of the footage. No question in my mind, the kill shot came from front and to the right like the conspiracy guys say.
YES I DID WATCH THE SHOW! JUST BECAUSE I GOT HIS NAME WRONG DOESNT MEAN I DIDNT WATCH IT!!!!!!! HERE IS THE THING ABOUT THE SHOTS.
1. KENNEDY GRABS AT HIS THROAT AFTER THE FIRST SHOT.
2. THE SECOND SHOT CAMES IN FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE CAUSING KENNEDY'S HEAD TO SNAP BACK
3. THE FINAL SHOT ALSO COMES FROM THE SIDE, POSSIBLY THE GRASSY KNOLL. THE OTHER THING THAT BOTHERS ME IS THAT WHERE WAS THE SECRET SERVICE AGENTS AFTER THE FIRST SHOT? JACKIE IS SCREAMING AND THE AGENTS SEEM TO TAKE FOREVER TO GET THERE. IT HAD BEEN SAID THAT WHILE PLAYING GOLF, THE SECRECT SERVICE USED TO CARRY MACHINE GUNS IN THEIR GOLF BAGS AND KENNEDY SAID THAT NO ONE WAS SILLY ENOUGH TO RUN ACROSS A GOLF COURSE WITH A GUN TO SHOOT HIM. HE TOLD AGENTS SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO USE A RIFLE TO KILL HIM. WAS THIS JUST ENOUGH FOR SOMEONE WITHIN THE SECRET SERVICE TO PASS ALONG THE INFO TO THE CIA OR THE FBI TO KILL KENNEDY? ANOTHER QUESTION IS THAT WHY KILL THE MAN THAT SUPPOSEDLY KILLED THE PRESIDENT? WHAT DID WHOEVER WAS BEHIND ALL OF THIS HAVE OSWALD KILLED? THE ONLY ANSWER I CAN COME UP WITH IS THAT THEY WERE AFRAID HE WOULD BREAK UNDER THE PRESSURE AND TELL THEM EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED? ANOTHER COVERUP. THE FINAL THING IS THAT SINCE ALL OF THIS TOOK PLACE AND THAT BOGUS WARREN COMMISSION REPORT, THE LEADERS OF THIS COUNTRY HAS FOUND WAS OF BLATANTLY LIE TO THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY. SURE IT HAS GONE ON FOR YEARS, BUT JESUS TO KILL SOMEONE BECAUSE YOU THOUGHT HE WAS SOFT ON COMMUNISM, THEN WHY WASNT CLINTON SHOT FOR NOT GETTING BIN LADEN? WHY WASNT BUSH #1 SHOT FOR NOT TAKING OUT HUSSIEN THE FIRST TIME? WHY DIDNT SOMEONE TAKE CARTER OUT WHEN HE WAS SOFT WITH THE IRANIANS? BECAUSE NO ONE WANTED TO DEAL WITH THAT KIND OF THING AGAIN. THEY REALIZED THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WERE A LOT SMARTER THAN THEY TOOK THEM FOR AND SOME SCHMUCK WOULD HAVE FIGURED IT ALL OUT!!
This is the silliest bunch of shouting nonsense I've read in a while.

There were only three shots, and the first one missed entirely. The second hit his throat, the third was the head shot.

Do you really think that if Kennedy hadn't said that it would take a rifle to kill him that the supposed "bad guys" in the Secret Service, CIA and FBI couldn't have figured that out for themselves? "Uh Fred, maybe we should try a rifle instead of this here BB gun!" hahaha.

Jack Ruby killed Oswalt simply because he wanted to be a remembered as a great American hero. He was badly mistaken.

I think it is funny too how the conspiracy theorists think that it could be covered up by killing all of the people involved.

exactly my point. if it was a conspiracy, i'm sure by now someone would have come forward. and honestly, if the people that killed kennedy had all the people involved with the assassination killed, wouldn't they people that gave the go ahead to have kenedy killed also themselves be killed? nonsense. pure and simple nonsense.

witchhunt · Post by **witchhunt** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:53 pm

Who's ever gonna know the facts? That's why there are 'theories'.

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:23 pm

I still don't believe Oliver Stone ...

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