Rush Limbaugh to be a Miss America Judge ..

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:46 pm

undercoverjoe wrote:[
Why do you think it is bad for right wingers to speak what is on their minds. Doesn't the First Amendment guarantee that right?

Why do I think it is bad for right wingers to speak what is on their minds...
How about because nobody who puts forth an opinion seems to be moderate, in fact, it is no longer allowed. John McCain was painted as a moderate conservative, and was hung out to dry by his own party's base. Every talking head I hear (and talking heads RULE the right), repeats over and over that you MUST NOT question conservatism's hardliners, that ONLY THEY know what's best, ONLY THEY (and , by extension, you) are right.
Rush Limbaugh is now the laser-sighted target of the media, and he deserves every iota of the full brunt of it. Today, it was announced that Al Sharpton will be suing Rush for saying that Sharpton incited 2 race riots, despite a lack of proof. (So awesome that even Al Freaking Sharpton is lobbing goonies at him

... hoisted on his own petard, I say.) The other day, it was the NFL. A few days before that, it was erroneous info on Big Insurance's u-turn on the healthcare bill (surprise?).
I hope he gets his saggy ass kicked. It's time you extremists learned that your leaders and mentors, TALK SHOW HOSTS, are not elected officials, and say what they say FOR MONEY. Furthermore...
You, Rush Limbaugh and I all have the exact same value: one opinion, and one vote. Beyond that, he has whatever power you give him in your narrow little world.

------>JMS

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:16 pm

songsmith wrote:
Why do I think it is bad for right wingers to speak what is on their minds...
How about because nobody who puts forth an opinion seems to be moderate,

Do non moderates have a right to speak in your world?

The B. Hussein administration is pure socialist liberalism, on its way to fascism. Why would conservatives NOT be against everything they do?

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:09 am

undercoverjoe wrote:
songsmith wrote:
Why do I think it is bad for right wingers to speak what is on their minds...
How about because nobody who puts forth an opinion seems to be moderate,
Do non moderates have a right to speak in your world?

The B. Hussein administration is pure socialist liberalism, on its way to fascism. Why would conservatives NOT be against everything they do?

ohjoe, Nazi Fascism REJECTS democracy, LIBERALISM (both political and economical) and socialism / Marxism.

Limbaughish scare tatic. Really limbaughjoe, you should listen to more than El Rushbo. Or is that El Rush BOO

Try reading this thread for a further explination, about the 7th post down.
http://www.rockpage.net/phpbb2/viewtopi ... ht=#186439

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:16 am

undercoverjoe wrote:
songsmith wrote:
Why do I think it is bad for right wingers to speak what is on their minds...
How about because nobody who puts forth an opinion seems to be moderate,
Do non moderates have a right to speak in your world?

Sure they do! They just shouldn't ever be in charge! Extremism shows nothing but a lack of understanding. The further right or left you are, the more nearsighted you are. Your perceptions are ill-informed and oversimplified.
Incidentally, do people have a right to be liberal or progressive in your world?--->JMS

Sapo · Post by **Sapo** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:48 am

Hawk wrote: ohjoe, Nazi Fascism REJECTS democracy, LIBERALISM (both political and economical) and socialism / Marxism.

What party brought facism to Italy and Germany?

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:40 am

Sapo wrote:
Hawk wrote: ohjoe, Nazi Fascism REJECTS democracy, LIBERALISM (both political and economical) and socialism / Marxism.
What party brought fascism to Italy and Germany?

I don't understand your question. Obviously the Nazi party (Hitler) brought Facism to Germany. Mussolini brought it to Italy. But what point are you trying to make ?

Sapo · Post by **Sapo** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:04 pm

They were socialists.

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:43 pm

Sapo wrote:They were socialists.

No...they were not. Please read the link I left for undercoverjoe. Then get back to me. Hitler HATED socialism...that's a fact.

JackANSI · Post by **JackANSI** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:43 pm

Hawk wrote:
Sapo wrote:They were socialists.
No...they were not. Please read the link I left for undercoverjoe. Then get back to me. Hitler HATED socialism...that's a fact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

If you actually read the whole thing, and take things out of context like the media often does, you can see where they(conservative media) get this idea.

Anyone who thinks Hitler was pro-socialism, read the part about 'Anti-capitalist rhetoric'

Wait, no one here will bother to follow the link so here (the sources for the following are in the article):

.....Hitler said in 1927, “We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance.” However, In 1929, Hitler called socialism "an unfortunate word altogether" and said that "if people have something to eat and their pleasures, then they have their socialism". According to Henry A. Turner, Hitler expressed regret for having integrated the word socialism into his party's name. Hitler wrote in 1930, “Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not.”....

Straight from the horses ass, go ahead and argue that...

Granted, Obama does sometimes sound like that (the part about unfair salaries) and some of the National Socialism platform SOUNDS like what Obama wants... (But think about it... Should the people who the government entrusted with regulation (the investment banks) get bonuses and big salaries for screwing everything up? Do you give a prize to the people who screw up the most where you work?)

But hitler also wanted those socialist benefits only for the racially 'pure'. As far as I know there isn't a hidden race agenda behind Obama's push.

But the constant hitler references are getting old. Being that some of the first people hitler carted off were his detractors.... If anyone would be the first people thrown into a concentration camp it would be the entire staff of Fox News and... yep... They are still on the air... So a hitler, Obama is not.

Get a new horse to beat, I think this ones dead..

Flaw · Post by **Flaw** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:17 pm

wait a minute im confused...is hitler and obama also judging miss america?!?!

JackANSI · Post by **JackANSI** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:33 pm

Flaw wrote:wait a minute im confused...is hitler and obama also judging miss america?!?!

Its all about unqualified people in lead or leadership positions mostly getting there without any form of relevant experience. Its basically all the same.

Flaw · Post by **Flaw** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:54 pm

JackANSI wrote:
Flaw wrote:wait a minute im confused...is hitler and obama also judging miss america?!?!
Its all about unqualified people in lead or leadership positions mostly getting there without any form of relevant experience. Its basically all the same.

...no the topic specifically says "rush limbaugh to judge miss america." it said nothing about leadership skills or what ever. Now people in charge of jobs, government, etc who aren't qualified is a way of life...there's always someone better out there and is more qualified to do whatever job. I haven't lived through a president who was completely qualified to run the country and i don't ever expect to see one.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:06 pm

songsmith wrote:
undercoverjoe wrote:
songsmith wrote:

Incidentally, do people have a right to be liberal or progressive in your world?--->JMS
Yes, I even think that they have a right to own NFL teams. We need a few liberals to keep in museums to remind us how horribly twisted their views were.

Again, can you provide evidence that Rush is racist?

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:29 pm

what do you think Rush's IQ is about 98? he's a meathead. he is no intellectual or einstein i'll tell you this.

Sapo · Post by **Sapo** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:43 pm

JackANSI wrote:
Hawk wrote:
Sapo wrote:They were socialists.
No...they were not. Please read the link I left for undercoverjoe. Then get back to me. Hitler HATED socialism...that's a fact.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

If you actually read the whole thing, and take things out of context like the media often does, you can see where they(conservative media) get this idea.

Anyone who thinks Hitler was pro-socialism, read the part about 'Anti-capitalist rhetoric'

Wait, no one here will bother to follow the link so here (the sources for the following are in the article):

.....Hitler said in 1927, “We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance.” However, In 1929, Hitler called socialism "an unfortunate word altogether" and said that "if people have something to eat and their pleasures, then they have their socialism". According to Henry A. Turner, Hitler expressed regret for having integrated the word socialism into his party's name. Hitler wrote in 1930, “Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not.”....

Straight from the horses ass, go ahead and argue that...

Granted, Obama does sometimes sound like that (the part about unfair salaries) and some of the National Socialism platform SOUNDS like what Obama wants... (But think about it... Should the people who the government entrusted with regulation (the investment banks) get bonuses and big salaries for screwing everything up? Do you give a prize to the people who screw up the most where you work?)

But hitler also wanted those socialist benefits only for the racially 'pure'. As far as I know there isn't a hidden race agenda behind Obama's push.

But the constant hitler references are getting old. Being that some of the first people hitler carted off were his detractors.... If anyone would be the first people thrown into a concentration camp it would be the entire staff of Fox News and... yep... They are still on the air... So a hitler, Obama is not.

Get a new horse to beat, I think this ones dead..

Ok, I will argue that...btw...Wikipedia!? You have got to be kidding. Anyhow:

Hitler was introduced to national socialism in Vienna. An early hero was Dr. Karl Lueger, the head of the Christian Social Party. Around 1919 he attended a German Workers' Party meeting and heard Gottfried Feder speak on "How and by What Means Is Capitalism to Be Eliminated?" Hitler was able to use this message to appeal to the little guy who is always getting hosed by the man. Soon he was in charge of the party. Continuing his ascent, in 1920 the Nazi Party's platform (co-written by Hitler) included providing a livelihood for citizens; the total confiscation of war profits; the nationalization of trusts; shared profits with labor; expanded old age pensions; and "communalization of department stores." The Nazi's pursued "a form of anticapitalist, antiliberal, and anti-conservative communitarianism encapsulated in the concept of Volksgemeinschaft, or "people's community." ^1. I agree he was not a Marxist, Hitler hated Marxists. He hated lots of people.

Unless I'm mistaken, Obama's guys are now out there saying Fox isn't a true media outlet and should be treated as such. So it sounds like they are doing just what you said.

^1 Jonah Goldberg, Liberal Fascism(New York: Doubleday, 2007), pp. 61-69.

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:45 pm

undercoverjoe wrote: Yes, I even think that they have a right to own NFL teams.

An obvious reference to Rush NOT getting his hands in the NFL.

It was Rush's own people who dropped him from their organization in their bid for an NFL team. The NFL did not exclude him.

But remember, the NFL's bottom line is MONEY. Like any capitalist organization (and I know you agree with me 100% here Joe) they have a right to deny Limbaugh access to ownership if they think it will drive away viewers and therefore cause them to loose money. Right Joe ?

I listen to Rush enough to know the man is incredibly smart. He won't use the N word, but his ongoing rhetoric screams racist. You have to be deaf to not recognise it. Like when Obama became president he was saying, "All we'll hear about now is Darfur. Why ? Because they are black. Obama will drop the Middle East problem like a hot potato. That's why he wants out of Iraq, so he can focus on Darfur. Mark my words, it's all about race".

There are hundreds of references like that. Where he projects his racism on to others. If you're a ditto head, you know his meaning.

I could write a book on his slanted race views.

Sapo · Post by **Sapo** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:47 pm

Hawk wrote:

I could write a book on his slanted race views.

I bet you can't.

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:56 pm

1920 platform...

How many promises are in a platform from Democrats and Republicans that are nothing more than bait to get elected. Rhetoric.

Hitler hated Marxist SOCIALISM. You (or who ever you copied your material from) conveniently left that word out. Hmmm, what was your source ? Marxist is not a person who Hitler hated.

Sapo · Post by **Sapo** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:57 pm

songsmith wrote:
Sure they do! They just shouldn't ever be in charge! Extremism shows nothing but a lack of understanding. The further right or left you are, the more nearsighted you are. Your perceptions are ill-informed and oversimplified.
JMS

You are not only making affirmations but you are also stereotyping and you sound pretty intolerant.

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:58 pm

Sapo wrote:
Hawk wrote:

I could write a book on his slanted race views.
I bet you can't.

I have a life to live and a book on Limbaugh's slanted racist views is way at the bottom of my list of things to do.

Sapo · Post by **Sapo** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:59 pm

Hawk wrote:1920 platform...

How many promises are in a platform from Democrats and Republicans that are nothing more than bait to get elected. Rhetoric.

Hitler hated Marxist SOCIALISM. You (or who ever you copied your material from) conveniently left that word out. Hmmm, what was your source ? Marxist is not a person who Hitler hated.

Did you even read my footnote at the bottom of the page? Do you even know what a footnote is?

I said he didn't like Marxism. There are varying degrees or interpretations of socialism.

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:03 pm

Sapo wrote:
Did you even read my footnote at the bottom of the page? Do you even know what a footnote is?

Sorry, you lost me. Will you explain ?

I quoted you in this post. But you must have added the other line after I posted. It wasn't there when I quoted you, so you must have added the other sentence after I quoted you. Hence my mention of your edit. I wasn't referring to your footnote.

Sapo · Post by **Sapo** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:04 pm

Hawk wrote:
Sapo wrote:
Did you even read my footnote at the bottom of the page? Do you even know what a footnote is?
Sorry, you lost me. Will you explain ?

I rest my case.

Sapo · Post by **Sapo** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:10 pm

Hawk wrote:
Sapo wrote:
Hawk wrote:

I could write a book on his slanted race views.
I bet you can't.
I have a life to live and a book on Limbaugh's slanted racist views is way at the bottom of my list of things to do.

Seems to me you spend enough time on here bashing conservatives that you could knuckle down and do a book. If you have the skills.

For me I usually find it pointless to get into these damn forum arguments...but they are like traffic accidents and I can't stop from looking. Occasionally I'll engage in a little debate because its fun. Today was just one of those days. I'm feeling rambunctious.

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:12 pm

Sapo wrote:
Hawk wrote:1920 platform...

How many promises are in a platform from Democrats and Republicans that are nothing more than bait to get elected. Rhetoric.

Hitler hated Marxist SOCIALISM. You (or who ever you copied your material from) conveniently left that word out. Hmmm, what was your source ? Marxist is not a person who Hitler hated.
Did you even read my footnote at the bottom of the page? Do you even know what a footnote is?

I said he didn't like Marxism. There are varying degrees or interpretations of socialism.

Sorry, I missed your apparent edit.

Socialism to me means that the means of production and distribution is owned by the government. And all property and industry etc. is owned by the government. What does socialism mean to you ?

Today we have a capitalistic country with some social programs. That does not make us a socialist country.