What the Pelosi Health-Care Bill Really Says

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f.sciarrillo wrote:
Hawk wrote:I'm with Joe on this one!

Let the insurance companies gouge the hell out of us! If you can't afford insurance, then wait until you get so damn sick you have to go to the emergency.

Let the hospitals raise their prices to the insurance companies so as to cover these poor sick people who take advantage of the hospital emergency. And the hospitals, they should raise their prices too to cover losses these sick people cause.

Let the for profit insurance companies decide what treatment you need, not the doctors.

Raise those premiums and increase copay.

Please make sure they are not bound t anti-trust laws or they would have to lower premiums, and the poor CEOs wont get their annual $36,000,000.00 bonus!

Keep it just like i is ! NO REFORM and no compitition.

Besides they need their extra cash to buy members of congress. We just can't let this stuff stop.

Lisa, the $ figure isn't final yet, but I doubt you make enough to be in the category to provide insurance for you full time workers. Part time workers, like always, are on their own.
They have the medical card for the people who do not want to pay. That way they can still gouge the working people of this country.
What are you talking about? Where can I get one ?

Not everyone who can't afford insurance is poor. Many are working middle class people. And the people who can afford insurance but don't buy it, really piss me off as they are a drain on the system too.
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ya know I just typed a big long post then deleted because it just isn't worth it :roll:
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tonefight wrote:ya know I just typed a big long post then deleted because it just isn't worth it :roll:
Out of all of the people in the USA, probably three or four read this thread. :lol:
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Hawk wrote:
tonefight wrote:ya know I just typed a big long post then deleted because it just isn't worth it :roll:
Out of all of the people in the USA, probably three or four read this thread. :lol:
Yeah but those 3 or 4 just like to argue about things they don't understand. :lol:
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PStl wrote:OK, you're born, what's the first thing you "must purchase"?

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Good point. Are birth certificates free of charge? Does the local govt charge you for something you must have by law?

And call it a fee, tax, surcharge, or whatever, it has to be paid.--->JMS
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RobTheDrummer wrote:The reason healthcare costs are so high now is because of government.
how so? i'm interested in hearing your argument.
"Our healthcare system is in trouble today because we have consistently ignored market-oriented solutions and instead sought out policies based on public finance and top-down regulation. Historically, each crisis has brought its own government solution, which in time has given rise to new problems necessitating still more government intervention. This all began in 1944, when employers began offering health insurance and other benefits to attract prospective employees because government wage and price controls prevented the payment of higher cash wages. Thus government regulation had the unintended consequence of giving rise to the current system of employer-provided health benefits. In the mid-1960s, President Johnson’s “Great Society” gave us Medicare and Medicaid, which insured millions of senior citizens and in the process drove up the cost of medical care due in part to the third-party payment problems discussed above. In response to high prescription drug costs, President George W. Bush gave us an oddly designed Medicare prescription drug coverage benefit (Medicare Part D). Apart from being excessively complicated, the plan is a great example of the misuse of insurance—Medicare Part D should cover catastrophic drug expenses, not mundane drugs such as Viagra. "

Taken from this site:
http://www.american.com/archive/2009/ma ... care-costs

You know what, just check out the whole article, there's more to the problem, and the Dems Bill will not fix the problem. It will only make it a bigger problem.
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eh :?: :?:

Dude health care goes up because we have diseases for just about anything right now, and prescriptions to cure these diseases. Who gets the claims for these illnesses, the insurances companies. Go in to a doctor and tell them you have trouble falling asleep at night, your going to get a prescription for a sleep aid or a stress reducer. I once got sick and lost a lot of weight because i had no appetite. I went to the doctor after i was better for a check up, and i was sent for blood work because they wanted to see if there was another reason as to why i was losing weight. There wasn't but they found a problem with blood platelets or whatever and guess what...another pill i had to get. Thats just me, imagine what goes through a entire business. Insurance is paid through your business, and if there is a lot of claims to your insurance company the entire business's insurance goes up. If there is people who drop the insurance everyone else goes up to make up for the people who now aren't putting their money in.


So to make this short, the more people use health care, the more it goes up, The more people that are in it keeps the cost to us the same. When people drop it and the amount it is being used goes up, Prices sky rocket.
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Prices for health insurance go up because it is a "for profit" industry. Only a fraction of every dollar goes to health coverage. Much of it goes into advertising and of course lobbying (paying congressmen). And the lack (Rob, did you read that, LACK) of anti trust laws. They are exempt from anti trust laws. Not to mention, but I will, bonuses like the recent $36,000,000.00 to one CEO.
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Trauma Especially Deadly for Uninsured

"After the researchers accounted for the type and severity of patients' injuries, their age and other relevant factors, they found an 80 percent increased risk of death for uninsured patients compared to those with commercial insurance."
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory?id=9099638

These kind of stats that have been proven again and again disturb me. Should life and death in the World's greatest nation hang on the thread of money? "Sorry, but I don't see how you're going to make my Benz CL-Class payment so have a nice trip to the promised land" A nation where OVER 50% of our budget goes to the military to satisfy their insatiable appetite for new "toys" to play with around the World?

I was always taught "Charity begins at HOME!"
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i just typed a 3 paragraph long post. then deleted it. i'm with tonefight. it dosn't matter anymore because no matter what anyones opinion is, there are 3 or 4 people that tell you your wrong and 3 or 4 people that agree.

i don't want the federal government to control healthcare. i'm sorry, but thats just how i feel. it's not the feds job to provide healthcare. in fact, the last people i want in charge of anything are politicians who are "concerned" about there "copnstituants." well you know what? i didn't vote for you.


(edit: you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you.)
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