Van Halen with Hagar was the best era ..

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Mon May 24, 2010 9:42 pm

I been spending most of the day listening to Van Halen and I have to say like I said before; they were at their best with Hagar (I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that I like Hagars voice better than Roth's). Anyone agree or dissagree?

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Mon May 24, 2010 10:22 pm

I like both eras. I think the material was a little more consistent with Roth. Some of the stuff with Hagar kicked ass (i.e., Humans Being, Poundcake, Seventh Seal) but some of it ventured into schlocky over-produced AOR territory (i.e., Why Can't this be Love, Dreams). Baluchitherium is still my favorite instrumental from them.

I didn't care much for what they did with Cherone, and I consider myself a pretty big Extreme fan.

AllHolLowsEVe · Post by **AllHolLowsEVe** » Mon May 24, 2010 10:34 pm

I always liked Sammy Hagar better as a person, and have always thought that David Lee Roth was arrogant. But in my opinion Women and Children First, and 1984 are two of their best albums.

I will agree though that the album they did with Gary Cherone was a joke.

RFBuck · Post by **RFBuck** » Mon May 24, 2010 10:41 pm

I always liked both for individual reasons. I never divided it into a Roth vs. Hagar kinda thing...I just went with the flow and appreciated each era for what it was.
And I never even tried the Cherone stuff.

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Mon May 24, 2010 11:11 pm

Yeah, I'm not trying to divide it, either. 1984 is a great cd, one of my favorites from Roth by far. I just think that they were more well versed with Hagar as far as vocals and performance. ..

sunsetbass · Post by **sunsetbass** » Tue May 25, 2010 1:41 am

i liked both but i lean towards the van hagar era. and absolutly agree that the cherone era blew chunks. he was great in extreme but not in van halen.

Naga · Post by **Naga** » Tue May 25, 2010 5:22 am

I'm in the same boat. I'm not really split on it, as I just liked both. Roth's days were fun, goofing off, being a bunch of "kids". Hagar put a sharper, more grown-up feel to that band. The entire sound was tuned up and it became more of a human minded idea as opposed to just doing what sounds good then

Never heard the Cherone years. From what I've heard, that's probably a good thing... Heh

banderson · Post by **banderson** » Tue May 25, 2010 12:21 pm

Roth era seemed like the party phase i.e bangin chicks, drinking, drugs, rock and roll, and being hellions. Hagar era was like the settling down and getting married phase.

DrumAndDestroy · Post by **DrumAndDestroy** » Tue May 25, 2010 12:54 pm

banderson wrote:Roth era seemed like the party phase i.e bangin chicks, drinking, drugs, rock and roll, and being hellions. Hagar era was like the settling down and getting married phase.

lol so the cherone era was the questionable rebound fuck after the divorce.

i personally like the roth stuff best.

Larry · Post by **Larry** » Tue May 25, 2010 12:56 pm

Sammy seems like a better person, but for me Van Halen ends with DLR. Early Van Halen had more of the raw edge that I like, whereas later incarnations seemed too highly produced.

banderson · Post by **banderson** » Tue May 25, 2010 2:33 pm

DrumAndDestroy wrote:
i personally like the roth stuff best.

Me too dude!! I think the Diver Down album might be my personal fav.

Speaking of drummers....Alex is great! Aside from his 14 kick drums and 85 toms he does have incredible groove

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Tue May 25, 2010 3:39 pm

I always thought that Montrose with Hagar was the best era.

Post by **Ron** » Tue May 25, 2010 3:43 pm

5150 was the most disappointing recording I ever bought in my life.

moxham123 · Post by **moxham123** » Tue May 25, 2010 4:09 pm

lonewolf wrote:I always thought that Montrose with Hagar was the best era.

Montrose with Hagar was definitely some great stuff. The first Montrose album is still one of my favorites. I also liked Sammy's solo stuff leading up to Van Halen. I liked both the Roth and Hagar lineups and agree that Hagar polished up the band's sound from the rawness they had early on. The other thing though with Hagar is that he also plays guitar and added that to the live shows. Check out this live video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyyLshCQUEU

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Tue May 25, 2010 6:29 pm

I like this also ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk52nGxF-jc

Then there is this also ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on_vF_i8 ... re=related

and this ... I loved this movie ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PuUflTc ... re=related

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Tue May 25, 2010 9:17 pm

sunsetbass wrote: he was great in extreme but not in van halen.

I actually think that his performance was very good. His voice has a similar timbre to Hagar's voice. It's just that the material was so weak. I don't know how much of a hand he had in the songwriting.

moxham123 · Post by **moxham123** » Tue May 25, 2010 9:25 pm

Van Halen with Gary Cherone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZL4AQX7m2c

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Tue May 25, 2010 9:39 pm

Sammy Hagar with Ronnie Montrose, 2005:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0v5hQPoMls

whitedevilone · Post by **whitedevilone** » Tue May 25, 2010 10:04 pm

bassist_25 wrote:
sunsetbass wrote: he was great in extreme but not in van halen.
I actually think that his performance was very good. His voice has a similar timbre to Hagar's voice. It's just that the material was so weak. I don't know how much of a hand he had in the songwriting.

Sooooo tru.Never a huge Extreme fan,but the wifey is gaga over Nuno so i've been forced to adapt lol.Going in i knew the dude had vocal chops,add on top of that my guitar geek status and considering it's a new Van Halen album i'm kinda obliged.Couple listens and i'm scratching my head.Man you guys call this record Van Halen III and this is the best you got?Terrible songs,very weak.Not good.

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Tue May 25, 2010 10:08 pm

moxham123 wrote:Van Halen with Gary Cherone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZL4AQX7m2c

Sounds like he is trying to be too much like Hagar there...

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Tue May 25, 2010 10:08 pm

lonewolf wrote:Sammy Hagar with Ronnie Montrose, 2005:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0v5hQPoMls

That I liked ...

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Tue May 25, 2010 10:12 pm

whitedevilone wrote:Couple listens and i'm scratching my head.Man you guys call this record Van Halen III and this is the best you got?Terrible songs,very weak.Not good.

Indeed. The two songs they recorded with Roth for their Best Of album slammed (i.e., Can't Get this Stuff no More, and Me Wise Magic), so they still have the ability to write some kick ass music. It just sucks that they haven't done so as of late and have opted, instead, to become one of those classic rock bands that tours but doesn't bother releasing any decent new material anymore.

I don't know if I would want to see a Van Halen without Michael Anthony. People who have seen them lately say that Eddie and Wolfgang must have a stressed relationship because it shows in Van Halen's performance; Wolfgang looks like he'd like to be anywhere except with his father on stage.

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Tue May 25, 2010 10:20 pm

f.sciarrillo wrote:
lonewolf wrote:Sammy Hagar with Ronnie Montrose, 2005:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0v5hQPoMls
That I liked ...

Some great vocal stylings by Hagar, for sure (not to mention Ronnie's scorching git-playing), but I've seen more captivating stage presence from garage bands playing their first gigs at the local firehall. Honestly, I expect a little more from Sammy. But hey, who is some dude in North Carolina to criticize Sammy Hagar?

His tangent in the break down of Panama on Live: Right Here, Right Now was sort of my philosophy when I was 15.

Tegamal · Post by **Tegamal** » Tue May 25, 2010 10:54 pm

I have to agree with a lot of the responses here.

I personally prefer the Hagar-era overall, but they all had their moments.

The Roth era was so carefree & wild, but I hated Roth's attitude. Music videos, interviews, whatever, he always came across as "this is my band, I make it what it is, these jokers are nothing without me". Eddie was SO far ahead of the times, & was making a guitar do things that most people thought was impossible.

The Hagar era was a little shaky at first, not to many people knew what to think of 5150. F.U.C.K. is still one of my all-time favorite albums, & when I first heard "Don't Tell Me" (the video premiered right after midnight, New Year's Day 1995 on MTV) I was blown away! DV8 & I saw them live on the Balance tour in 1996 at Coca-Cola Starlake, badass concert.

I like Gary Cerone's voice, but he was trying WAY too hard to be Sammy on VH3. His work with Extreme was awesome (Pornographitti is still a fav of mine), but the songs on 3 were very thin, seemed almost rushed. Pity.

VENTGtr · Post by **VENTGtr** » Wed May 26, 2010 2:08 am

bassist_25 wrote: Wolfgang looks like he'd like to be anywhere except with his father on stage.

For him (Wolfgang) it's probably like having to work in your dad's store. Mebbe he and Gene Simmons kid, who seems pretty cool and smart, should start something.