BigJohn wrote:My point is if your not doing something wrong or illegal who cares? If your hiding something then you deserve to get caught ... and I dont think were talking about selling a little weed ...
Most everyone does something illegal. Speeding is illegal. Drinking and driving is illegal. Selling weed is illegal. Do you really think the law is going to pick and choose who to mess with? why would they have the laws then?
Im sure if someone exposed everything youve done, you wouldnt like it. thats what the patriot act can do if i understand it. they can look at everything. dig as deep as they want. regardless of whether youre actually doing something wrong. to have your life turned upside down for no reason is kinda crazy.
BigJohn wrote:The Patriot Act was intended to protect regular hard working Americans from foreign nationals who would do us harm . I'm all for that, of course there are people who would miss use it. But do you really think those people in real power positions really need permission to tap your phone if they want to. So take the bad with the good and weigh out the benefits....
What do you think of "indefinite detentions" ? Where they can jail anyone they want by calling them a terrorist, without a trial or lack of "due process". That's Communism plane and simple.
BigJohn wrote:My point is if your not doing something wrong or illegal who cares? If your hiding something then you deserve to get caught ... and I dont think were talking about selling a little weed ...
Most everyone does something illegal. Speeding is illegal. Drinking and driving is illegal. Selling weed is illegal. Do you really think the law is going to pick and choose who to mess with? why would they have the laws then?
Im sure if someone exposed everything youve done, you wouldnt like it. thats what the patriot act can do if i understand it. they can look at everything. dig as deep as they want. regardless of whether youre actually doing something wrong. to have your life turned upside down for no reason is kinda crazy.
+1 and i agree totally. the patriot act is stepping all over our freedoms.
f.sciarrillo wrote:
Typical right wing propaganda, ridicule and blast anyone who doesn't agree with, or see your way .. Yep, alive and well .. Oh well.
f.sciarrillo wrote:
Typical right wing propaganda, ridicule and blast anyone who doesn't agree with, or see your way .. Yep, alive and well .. Oh well.
BigJohn wrote:My point is if your not doing something wrong or illegal who cares? If your hiding something then you deserve to get caught ... and I dont think were talking about selling a little weed ...
Most everyone does something illegal. Speeding is illegal. Drinking and driving is illegal. Selling weed is illegal. Do you really think the law is going to pick and choose who to mess with? why would they have the laws then?
Im sure if someone exposed everything youve done, you wouldnt like it. thats what the patriot act can do if i understand it. they can look at everything. dig as deep as they want. regardless of whether youre actually doing something wrong. to have your life turned upside down for no reason is kinda crazy.
+1 and i agree totally. the patriot act is stepping all over our freedoms.
What freedoms did you lose? I didn't recall losing any? The constitution mandates the government to protect the people. That's what the patriot act is all about.
FourthDimensionAudio wrote:
Most everyone does something illegal. Speeding is illegal. Drinking and driving is illegal. Selling weed is illegal. Do you really think the law is going to pick and choose who to mess with? why would they have the laws then?
Im sure if someone exposed everything youve done, you wouldnt like it. thats what the patriot act can do if i understand it. they can look at everything. dig as deep as they want. regardless of whether youre actually doing something wrong. to have your life turned upside down for no reason is kinda crazy.
+1 and i agree totally. the patriot act is stepping all over our freedoms.
What freedoms did you lose? I didn't recall losing any? The constitution mandates the government to protect the people. That's what the patriot act is all about.
That's the difference between us Rob, as long as it doesn't affect YOU it's OK. I care about everyone else. And yes, there are already leaks of abuse.
+1 and i agree totally. the patriot act is stepping all over our freedoms.
What freedoms did you lose? I didn't recall losing any? The constitution mandates the government to protect the people. That's what the patriot act is all about.
That's the difference between us Rob, as long as it doesn't affect YOU it's OK. I care about everyone else. And yes, there are already leaks of abuse.
It does effect me Bill, it keeps me safe! Suspected terrorists are the target, not the average American citizen. What's wrong with prevention of killing innocent civilians? You must have a mental disorder to believe that's ok. The crazy terrorist types brought this on themselves. Would you rather go back to the Clinton years, where there were a whole bunch of attacks? Just let them do their own thing....I guess that's better huh? Rather have 1,000 more dead than the possibility of national defense listening to a suspected terrorist phone call.....makes sense to me.....
One more thing Bill, you're against the government protecting you because you believe it's intrusive.....yet, you're all about the government being intrusive in your health care privileges.
I'm afraid of abuse and misuse. Perhaps you trust EVERYONE in the Bush administration and EVERYONE in the Obama administration.
What about 20 years from now. We don't know who will be there. If it were someone like NIXON you can be damn sure it will be abused. Just as Nixon misused the FBI for political gain. You trust the politicians more than I do.
Hawk wrote:I'm afraid of abuse and misuse. Perhaps you trust EVERYONE in the Bush administration and EVERYONE in the Obama administration.
What if you do not trust ANYONE in government? Now you get why some of us do not want government controlled health care.
Funny Joe, but I see the insurance companies abuse it thier power for the sake of profit and Government would have no reason to abuse it. Nice try for a spin though.
I would feel a lot better about the Patriot Act if I were the only one allowed to enforce it.
Would that give you a warm and fuzzy feeling?
I actually like the government working to keep the people safe. Except when it comes to the internet, they can't possibly have a good reason to ever have to monitor the internet to keep us safe.
Right?
Point being what if I piss off the wrong people and someone thinks I might be a terrorist? What if I just disappear one day?
Well? Who enforces the patriot act? Who can report someone as being a potential terrorist?
Get my point?
Torn & Frayed
One World, One Voice, One God! Music is LIFE!
And the #1 reason why we shouldn't have a government controlled health system:
Hawk wrote:I'm afraid of abuse and misuse. Perhaps you trust EVERYONE in the Bush administration and EVERYONE in the Obama administration.
What about 20 years from now. We don't know who will be there. If it were someone like NIXON you can be damn sure it will be abused. Just as Nixon misused the FBI for political gain. You trust the politicians more than I do.
...Oh, the freedom of the day that yielded to no rule or time...
Why is everyone talking about high health care costs? It's something you use now and then. You know what pisses me off? High utility costs. Things we need everyday and are charged month after month and they are expensive as shit! The cap and trade is only going to make them go up! Why aren't people bitching about that?
!!! HAHAHAH !
