Why I like Glenn Beck

[Hawk]

And the #1 reason why we shouldn't have a government controlled health system:

I'm afraid of abuse and misuse. Perhaps you trust EVERYONE in the Bush administration and EVERYONE in the Obama administration.

What about 20 years from now. We don't know who will be there. If it were someone like NIXON you can be damn sure it will be abused. Just as Nixon misused the FBI for political gain. You trust the politicians more than I do.

You missed two posts above...

[Hawk]

Why is everyone talking about high health care costs? It's something you use now and then. You know what pisses me off? High utility costs. Things we need everyday and are charged month after month and they are expensive as shit! The cap and trade is only going to make them go up! Why aren't people bitching about that?

What exactly to you want regarding utilities Rob ? Free enterprise or government regulations ?

[lonewolf]

And the #1 reason why we shouldn't have a government controlled health system:

I'm afraid of abuse and misuse. Perhaps you trust EVERYONE in the Bush administration and EVERYONE in the Obama administration.

What about 20 years from now. We don't know who will be there. If it were someone like NIXON you can be damn sure it will be abused. Just as Nixon misused the FBI for political gain. You trust the politicians more than I do.

You missed two posts above...

No I didn't. Those statements are irrelevant to me because there can be no specific context. Government is government. The same statement applies to anything they do. If you can't trust them to do one thing, how can you trust them to do another? Selective foolishness?

[Hawk]

And the #1 reason why we shouldn't have a government controlled health system:

You missed two posts above...

No I didn't. Those statements are irrelevant to me because there can be no specific context. Government is government. The same statement applies to anything they do. If you can't trust them to do one thing, how can you trust them to do another? Selective foolishness?

Do you drink public water ? Do you use public roads ? I trust them UNLESS it knowingly done in secret. I don't even need to explain the difference to you. You know the difference already.

[RobTheDrummer]

Just because something is "public" doesn't mean the government is the one that runs it.

[slackin@dabass]

bill, the state government regulates your drinking water. not the federal. i trust my state to make better choices than my federal government.

[Hawk]

Just because something is "public" doesn't mean the government is the one that runs it.

While there are some privately owned water systems, they are regulated by the Federal Government.

Altoona owns it's own water system. But the EPA is there for us to set guidelines. I would guess the Fed kicks in money in order to keep those standards.

[Hawk]

bill, the state government regulates your drinking water. not the federal. i trust my state to make better choices than my federal government.

Ahh, you are wrong too. The EPA regulates and ENFORCES drinking water standards.
http://www.epa.gov/safewater/pws/index.html
Yep, you can thank the federal government for the fact that they insure your water is safe. Social projects that works hand in hand with capitalism.

[tornandfrayed]

Does anyone on here feel they are benefiting from these threads? (political) I am just curious.

Does anyone feel closer together, more a part of the community, when these conversations take place?

After political debates do you often find yourself thinking about what more you can do to help the progress of your country, to support your president and to help those around you? I was told many times in 2000 and 2004 that regardless of your beliefs you have to support the president.

Does anyone else see the division that is being perpetuated here? Don't you sometimes feel like you are running in circles? That maybe we are all being fed a line of crap from the media that thrives on crap to make a living. I don't see many people tuning into channels that focus on love and understanding, on getting along and working together.

It seems like the ones with the big ratings are preaching a message that divides the people and keeps them angry.

Just a thought...

[lonewolf]

Does anyone on here feel they are benefiting from these threads? (political) I am just curious.

Yes Dave. It blows off steam.

[Hawk]

Does anyone on here feel they are benefiting from these threads? (political) I am just curious.

Yes Dave. It blows off steam.

I have fun. And I learn things along the way. It forces me to think, and I like thinking.

[Hawk]

The Patriot Act was intended to protect regular hard working Americans from foreign nationals who would do us harm . I'm all for that, of course there are people who would miss use it. But do you really think those people in real power positions really need permission to tap your phone if they want to. So take the bad with the good and weigh out the benefits....

What do you think of "indefinite detentions" ? Where they can jail anyone they want by calling them a terrorist, without a trial or lack of "due process". That's Communism plane and simple.

Anyone want to take this ?

[Hawk]

Why is everyone talking about high health care costs? It's something you use now and then. You know what pisses me off? High utility costs. Things we need everyday and are charged month after month and they are expensive as shit! The cap and trade is only going to make them go up! Why aren't people bitching about that?

What exactly to you want regarding utilities Rob ? Free enterprise or government regulations ?

Rob ?

[lonewolf]

Do you drink public water ? Do you use public roads ? I trust them UNLESS it knowingly done in secret. I don't even need to explain the difference to you. You know the difference already.

I don't trust any politicians--even if I agree 100% with their voting record. I have just enough faith in the borough that they won't poison me with their water. By the same token, there is little the EPA can do in the event I do get poisoned. The EPA has a very minor, passive role in the delivery of my water.

Although I will generally trust 1-1/2 feet of concrete, I get very leery when I am forced to sit under a bridge for any length of time. I have seen too many "new" bridges crumbling--probably due to poor oversight by the government over sub-standard construction practices or the government's graft, er, I mean choice of contractors. I wonder how many "no-shows" are funded by government each year?

In spite of politicians, I have enough faith in the Constitution that if somebody's rights get infringed by the patriot act, it will be addressed by the Supreme Court and struck down, like this:

http://www.aclu.org/safefree/spying/185 ... 40929.html

I have zero faith that there is a remedy in the US Constitution for insidious acts taken with unconstitutional entitlement programs such as these health care bills contain. The bills in Congress are so vague that they don't define the structure or limitations of a "public option". For instance:

What is the monthly premium for this public option?
What is the yearly deductible?
What is the co-payment?
What is the maximum annual out-of-pocket costs?
What is the yearly maximum benefit?
What services does it cover?
What services does it NOT cover?
Does it cover prescriptions?

Answer: To Be Determined. Now that is scary. Nothing but putty in the hands of untrustworthy and often dubious politicians. Did you notice that I didn't even mention fiscal irresponsibility yet? Some things are self-evident and only the blind cannot see them. The US Congress is literally the most unsafe place on Earth for a blank checkbook.

Then, like you said, there's the possibility of somebody taking power down the road with ulterior motives. Perhaps passive euthanasia? Maybe a resurgence in the eugenics movement that was prevalent in the progressive and democratic parties right up until the Kennedys took power? Maybe somebody like Nixon who would like to resurrect "Mississippi Appendectomies?" Convolution of the health care system is potentially far more lethal and sustainable than anything that comes from the patriot act.

http://www.sntp.net/eugenics/eugenics_america.htm

The road to hell is paved with good intentions and giving the government too much control over our health care system is nothing but a 12 lane super-highway to hell.

[Banned]

Government would have no reason to abuse it.

Bill, if you really believe that no one in government would abuse anything, you have the most gullible person ever.

[Hawk]

Government would have no reason to abuse it.

Bill, if you really believe that no one in government would abuse anything, you have the most gullible person ever.

Out of context Rush. Typical

[RobTheDrummer]

Bill, I just think politicians are using this heathcare thing as an act of politics. I don't think it's necessity, but people are eating it up. I mean, how good does that look? Free healthcare for everyone! It's pure and simple politics, what they don't tell you is that it's very very expensive and we can't afford to pay for every person in the USofA, but it sure does SOUND good.

[Hawk]

Do you drink public water ? Do you use public roads ? I trust them UNLESS it knowingly done in secret. I don't even need to explain the difference to you. You know the difference already.

I don't trust any politicians--even if I agree 100% with their voting record. I have just enough faith in the borough that they won't poison me with their water. By the same token, there is little the EPA can do in the event I do get poisoned. The EPA has a very minor, passive role in the delivery of my water.

Although I will generally trust 1-1/2 feet of concrete, I get very leery when I am forced to sit under a bridge for any length of time. I have seen too many "new" bridges crumbling--probably due to poor oversight by the government over sub-standard construction practices or the government's graft, er, I mean choice of contractors. I wonder how many "no-shows" are funded by government each year?

In spite of politicians, I have enough faith in the Constitution that if somebody's rights get infringed by the patriot act, that it will be addressed by the Supreme Court and struck down, like this:

http://www.aclu.org/safefree/spying/185 ... 40929.html

I have zero faith that there is a remedy in the US Constitution for insidious acts taken with unconstitutional entitlement programs such as these health care bills contain. The bills in Congress are so vague that they don't define the structure or limitations of a "public option". For instance:

What is the monthly premium for this public option?
What is the yearly deductible?
What is the co-payment?
What is the maximum annual out-of-pocket costs?
What is the yearly maximum benefit?
What services does it cover?
What services does it NOT cover?
Does it cover prescriptions?

Answer: To Be Determined. Now that is scary. Nothing but putty in the hands of untrustworthy and often dubious politicians. Did you notice that I didn't even mention fiscal irresponsibility yet? Some things are self-evident and only the blind cannot see them. The US Congress is literally the most unsafe place on Earth for a blank checkbook.

Then, like you said, there's the possibility of somebody taking power down the road with ulterior motives. Perhaps passive euthanasia? Maybe a resurgence in the eugenics movement that was prevalent in the progressive and democratic parties right up until the Kennedys took power? Maybe somebody like Nixon who would like to resurrect "Mississippi Appendectomies?" Convolution of the health care system is potentially far more lethal and sustainable than anything that comes from the patriot act.

http://www.sntp.net/eugenics/eugenics_america.htm

The road to hell is paved with good intentions and giving the government too much control over our health care system is nothing but a 12 lane super-highway to hell.

Northern Cambria just got hit hard by the EPA for doing a poor job. I'd say they are a hell of a lot more than passive.

Bridges: Are you saying you want MORE oversight by the government ? Are you saying that the PRIVATE contractor is not to be trusted ? Well, that's exactly what you said. I agree with you.

Ok, you trust the insurance cooperate exec who's bottom line is only money, with your health (The private enterprise system you don't trust to build bridges without cutting corners).
I'll trust someone hired by the government who's job is my health care.

[Hawk]

Bill, I just think politicians are using this heathcare thing as an act of politics. I don't think it's necessity, but people are eating it up. I mean, how good does that look? Free healthcare for everyone! It's pure and simple politics, what they don't tell you is that it's very very expensive and we can't afford to pay for every person in the USofA, but it sure does SOUND good.

No one is talking about FREE health care. Get your head out of Glen Becks ass. Who ever said FREE ?

The goal is a public option. Option (for you simpletons) means you can BUY it or buy whatever insurance company you choose. It's only a choice.
Competition will drive down prices.

[Hawk]

Bill, I just think politicians are using this heathcare thing as an act of politics. I don't think it's necessity, but people are eating it up. I mean, how good does that look? Free healthcare for everyone! It's pure and simple politics, what they don't tell you is that it's very very expensive and we can't afford to pay for every person in the USofA, but it sure does SOUND good.

You think the run amuck cooperate insurance is good the way it is? You're happy that they can drop you anytime they want ? You're happy they can refuse pre-existing conditions ? You're happy that it is unaffordable for millions of Americans ?

What a blissful life you must lead. Unconcerned about anyone else...

[Banned]

No one is talking about FREE health care. Who ever said FREE ?

ALL of the people on Medicaid get free health care. When an illegal alien comes over the border from Mexico, and has her baby in an American hospital, that is free health care. Many illegal aliens get free health care today. All they have to do is show up at a hospital needing medical care.

The democrat's bill will give extend this free health care to millions of illegal aliens, you know they will probably be democrat voters some day.

[Hawk]

No one is talking about FREE health care. Who ever said FREE ?

ALL of the people on Medicaid get free health care. When an illegal alien comes over the border from Mexico, and has her baby in an American hospital, that is free health care. Many illegal aliens get free health care today. All they have to do is show up at a hospital needing medical care.

The democrat's bill will give extend this free health care to millions of illegal aliens, you know they will probably be democrat voters some day.

So why isn't anyone, any conservative, out there with tea bag parties and vocal protests against Medicare ?

As conservative "Lisa" has complained. Medicare doesn't cover everything. They came up $8000 short on Grand Ma's operation.

[Banned]

Government would have no reason to abuse it.

Bill, if you really believe that no one in government would abuse anything, you have the most gullible person ever.

Out of context Rush. Typical

Government abuse is government abuse. Do you think there is no abuse by this vastly over bloated government.?

[Banned]

So why isn't anyone, any conservative, out there with tea bag parties and vocal protests against Medicare ?

Please read a post before you respond with your spin. I did not say Medicare anywhere in my post.

Oh, BTW, for the record, I am against Medicare, Medicaid and Social security.

[Hawk]

Bill, if you really believe that no one in government would abuse anything, you have the most gullible person ever.

Out of context Rush. Typical

Government abuse is government abuse. Do you think there is no abuse by this vastly over bloated government.?

The out of context quote you took from one of my posts explains my opinion.