Bill would give president emergency control of Internet

[Banned]

When I said Joe is paranoid relative to government I think Joe has proved that out. And he tries to spread paranoia in order to suck people in to his way of thinking.

Bill, have you ever read one of my posts?

I just posted above that republicans are just like democrats, spend and spend just to keep themselves in power.

Now could you point out the paranoid rant in that sentence?

Whitedevil is right, you are afraid to live your life without the nanny government state telling you it is safe.

It is safe, Bill.

There, I am not even from the government and I told you,

it is safe.

Oh, yes you can wipe your ass without government control, it is safe.

[Hawk]

When I said Joe is paranoid relative to government I think Joe has proved that out. And he tries to spread paranoia in order to suck people in to his way of thinking.

Bill, have you ever read one of my posts?

I just posted above that republicans are just like democrats, spend and spend just to keep themselves in power.

Now could you point out the paranoid rant in that sentence?

Whitedevil is right, you are afraid to live your life without the nanny government state telling you it is safe.

It is safe, Bill.

There, I am not even from the government and I told you,

it is safe.

Oh, yes you can wipe your ass without government control, it is safe.

LOL yeah, My country is safe (because of the feds). My food is safe (because of the FDA) My water is safe (because of the EPA) My Streets are safe (because of the monies trickled down to the city and the state from the feds) . On and on and on and on...


I care about people who can't (not capable mentally or physically) care entirely for themselves. You're exactly like Limbaugh (not in a racist sence, but in a paranoid sence) . Limbaugh IS a racist, I listen to him nearly every week day. Yet he can't admit it to himself, so he projects onto others. This is very typical technique of desperate (to make a point or to congregate a following) people.

It is a method used (as you use it) to create / incite hate. You bust your butt on Rockpage in order to generate government paranoia. You tell anyone who will listen not to trust government. But trust Corporations.

IMO BOTH need oversight. That is not paranoia, it IS practacality.

[Banned]

(because of the monies trickled down to the city and the state from the feds) .

Uh, Bill, just where do you think that money comes from?

The feds get the money from us. Why not cut the feds out?

Why not let the city and states just do their own thing with the money they collect. That is the way the Constitution set it up.

The cities and states are governments, you could feel safe with them too Bill.

Oh, do you think the feds give all the money back to the cities and states? Oh course not, they need to employ millions and millions of government bureaucrats, who of course vote to keep their leaders in power.

This is just for an example, but for every $100 in tax revenue that is taken for welfare, only $12 actually gets to the welfare recipient. The $88 is the government, bureaucratic overhead, the cost of keeping government in business.

Leave that $100 here in the community, and we would do a much better job of taking care of our own needy.

AND, we would be following the Constitution. You know, that thing you love to ignore Bill.

[Hawk]

(because of the monies trickled down to the city and the state from the feds) .

Uh, Bill, just where do you think that money comes from?

The feds get the money from us. Why not cut the feds out?

Why not let the city and states just do their own thing with the money they collect. That is the way the Constitution set it up.

The cities and states are governments, you could feel safe with them too Bill.

Oh, do you think the feds give all the money back to the cities and states? Oh course not, they need to employ millions and millions of government bureaucrats, who of course vote to keep their leaders in power.

This is just for an example, but for every $100 in tax revenue that is taken for welfare, only $12 actually gets to the welfare recipient. The $88 is the government, bureaucratic overhead, the cost of keeping government in business.

Leave that $100 here in the community, and we would do a much better job of taking care of our own needy.

AND, we would be following the Constitution. You know, that thing you love to ignore Bill.

Show me the source for your $100 breakdown . Thanks.

As I have explained a thousand times, the small cities and towns would die if we didn't spread the wealth. Everyone would move the the cities and states that do have money. Those cities could not handle the influx. Your "plan" would cause the demise of the USA.

One of the biggest reasons Rome collapsed was for the same reason. That's where the money was. So that's where the people came. Rome could not support the population. Rome might no have fallen if they saw to it that some of their wealth was spread to all of it's conquered lands.

[Banned]

Show me the source of what and how much money trickles down from the fed.

You are telling me that letting cites and towns and states keep their own money would destroy the US, and YOU call me paranoid.

Cities and states would have MUCH more wealth if they did not have to give so much to the federal government (28% is where it is currently at, meaning the fed takes 28% of the total gross national product).

I am glad you were able to tell Rome's downfall in single 5 sentence paragraph, all because they did not spend enough. It that the advice you would give to B.?

Maybe Rome collapsed because they had too strong of a central government, sort of like the runaway federal government we have?

[Hawk]

Show me the source of what and how much money trickles down from the fed.

You are telling me that letting cites and towns and states keep their own money would destroy the US, and YOU call me paranoid.

Cities and states would have MUCH more wealth if they did not have to give so much to the federal government (28% is where it is currently at, meaning the fed takes 28% of the total gross national product).

I am glad you were able to tell Rome's downfall in single 5 sentence paragraph, all because they did not spend enough. It that the advice you would give to B.?

Maybe Rome collapsed because they had too strong of a central government, sort of like the runaway federal government we have?

You crack me up .

I said one reason, implying more. I know you are smart and already new that. But you do like to spin...Limbaughishly.

Take Altoona. Cut all of our Federal taxes with the exception of the military. The State would HAVE to raise taxes significantly to cover things the FDA and EPA and hundreds of other things the Feds do for us.

Now call the Altoona Mayor and ask him if ALL Federal Funds were cut and ALL state funds were cut, how much would we need to raise taxes on Altoids in order to survive. I predict your total taxes (if you lived in Altoona) would increase by more than your personal cuts to the Fed. Either that or Altoona would die.

You already see the results of a poor country (Mexico) living next door to a rich (formerly rich) country. The illegal aliens move in and suck away at us like a million piglets nursing on one pig.

With your plan, we would all move the where the money was rather than die in Altoona. And just as the illegals are doing to the USA, we would drag down the rich cities and rich states.


And while I am speculating on the outcome of YOUR fantasy, we both know it will always be a fantasy.

Money does trickle down to the city from federal grants and state grants. If you didn't already know that, Well, I feel sorry for you.

[Banned]

Take all of federal taxes paid by every native of Altoona. Think of all that money staying in this community. People would be a lot more charitable when they have more of their money to be charitable with.

Altoona would be able to raise more taxes when we all pay less to the fed. That would place Altoona in a MUCH better economic situation. The fed just takes our money and then redistributes a small percentage back to us.

Just skip the fed, like skipping the middleman, and we would have more money and know better how to spend our money locally than some bureaucrat in DC would. If you can't see the simple logic in this, you need help.

[Hawk]

Take all of federal taxes paid by every native of Altoona. Think of all that money staying in this community. People would be a lot more charitable when they have more of their money to be charitable with.

Altoona would be able to raise more taxes when we all pay less to the fed. That would place Altoona in a MUCH better economic situation. The fed just takes our money and then redistributes a small percentage back to us.

Just skip the fed, like skipping the middleman, and we would have more money and know better how to spend our money locally than some bureaucrat in DC would. If you can't see the simple logic in this, you need help.

I wish we could see an actual breakdown to see who is right. I do believe Altoona gets back more than the total of it's citizens Federal income tax relative to the Feds needed contribution for military.

[shell_shooter]

? When they shut down the internet will they pro rate our internet bill or will we get some kind of tax break to compinsate for the down time

[lonewolf]

Take all of federal taxes paid by every native of Altoona. Think of all that money staying in this community. People would be a lot more charitable when they have more of their money to be charitable with.

Altoona would be able to raise more taxes when we all pay less to the fed. That would place Altoona in a MUCH better economic situation. The fed just takes our money and then redistributes a small percentage back to us.

Just skip the fed, like skipping the middleman, and we would have more money and know better how to spend our money locally than some bureaucrat in DC would. If you can't see the simple logic in this, you need help.

I wish we could see an actual breakdown to see who is right. I do believe Altoona gets back more than the total of it's citizens Federal income tax relative to the Feds needed contribution for military.

I've been looking for this data for some time and never find it in a purely neutral format. While some data is adjusted for federal military spending, most still have data that reflects money that comes back from federal programs such as social security and medicare. You can be sure that when I find something that reflects this discussion, I'll let you know.

I did see somewhere that, because of exploding federal borrowing, the states on average received $1.01 back for every dollar sent. At the present rate of federal borrowing at 1/3 of the budget, that translates to .68 cents of real, unfinanced revenues back for every dollar.

Of course, at the present rate of borrowing, in not so many years, either the dollar will be worthless or the federal government will be bankrupt and the states will be on their own anyway.

[slackin@dabass]

? When they shut down the internet will they pro rate our internet bill or will we get some kind of tax break to compinsate for the down time

i like to think that your service provider will provide you with a stick and a jar of vasoline while they continue to charge you for service. i mean, that does seem to be the american way.