Phrases like this get thrown around pretty loosely. People in the spotlight, like Beck, use it to try to gain some respect from the Christians. Look how local business owners like to preach how religious and rightious they are while they are fucking over the blue collars. Divine sugar coating.tornandfrayed wrote: "I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life."
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You want me to believe the biggest liberal news paper in the country? A paper that has been in bed with Obama more than any other liberal media organization? I don't think so.Hawk wrote:f.sciarrillo wrote:Obama didn't help the banks to keep us from going to into a depression. He helped the banks who helped in his campaign - Look at the list and you will see he picked and chose the ones he wanted to help, he left any that was/is against him out. If he would have left them fail we wouldn't be in a depression. With the auto industry, he wasn't helping the factory workers, he was giving a hand out to the unions who supported him ..Hawk wrote: I believe you to be a liar. Would you show me how much Reagan increased the deficit. Along with Bush and W Bush. Don't forget to add W's war spending to his deficit. He conveniently didn't add it to HIS deficit spending. Obama DID add W's war budget to the total deficit.
How much did Obama HAVE to spend to bail out the banks and wall street so we didn't go into a major depression ?
Now tell me how much Obama has spent to add to the deficit SO FAR ? Not some slanted projection.
Either you lie, or your sources lie. Please confirm which it is ? OR prove it to me !
The white house even released last week that the deficit is up to 12 trillion. That is the democrats way - Spend more to put this country into bankruptcy so the whole USA can be relying on the government to pay their way. Why don't we all become one big socialist country. WE CAN BE THE USSA !!
Look at who this community organizer with his ways of ACORN, which still gets millions of our tax money - Of course they helped Obama as well. All I am waiting for now is the announcement of how much the Black Panthers were paid.
Info on the deficit -> http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
Another source of real time -> http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Oh, and bushes national debt grew 4 trillion during his term. Obama's is going to be around 9 trillion -> That is more than any Pres in history ... Of course anyone who supports him and his socialist ways is going to not believe any of it. Then you can look at his polls and see that 3/4 of the country is finally starting to see through his smoke cloud of bs. Like it is said: "A dog who slides his but on the floor will spread nothing but crap". Obama is that dog
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Read it an weep. Do you eat republican propaganda for lunch and vomit it out on Rockpage ? http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/20/us/po ... udget.html
"Tenfold in six months" Damn Lie ! I still want to know, do you just make things up ? Or do your sources make this up and you swollow it ?
Largest projections would be 9 trillion over ten years. If the economy turns around, the projection means NOTHING !
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090825/pl_ ... ama_budget
I'm curious too. Were you praising bill Clinton for his surplus ?
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Also: I am not a Republican or Democrat - I look at what is around me and take my opinion that way. I didn't praise Clinton, I still don't praise him. I didn't vote for Clinton or Obama.
Look at the last six months - Our Deficit went from 4 trillion to 12 trillion. What does that tell you? Of course a liberal won't believe it

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What does it
What does it tell you?
How is your life? How different is your life now then it was two years ago?
The question is how will it be in two years...
I know one thing for sure, the country will be divided as long as this kind of thing continues.. Funny thing about that is no one comments on it, they just keep pushing their own agenda.... Why do we have so much at stake in who is right and who is wrong?
I know that no one here has a credit card with a balance on it, I sure don't.
But a lot of Americans do. Our country sort of runs that way. It is what it is.
I am curious to see how this works out. I think a lot of people think Obama is stupid. I made the same mistake with GWB then the next thing you know I have the Patriot Act up my ass.
Time will tell...
How is your life? How different is your life now then it was two years ago?
The question is how will it be in two years...
I know one thing for sure, the country will be divided as long as this kind of thing continues.. Funny thing about that is no one comments on it, they just keep pushing their own agenda.... Why do we have so much at stake in who is right and who is wrong?
I know that no one here has a credit card with a balance on it, I sure don't.
But a lot of Americans do. Our country sort of runs that way. It is what it is.
I am curious to see how this works out. I think a lot of people think Obama is stupid. I made the same mistake with GWB then the next thing you know I have the Patriot Act up my ass.
Time will tell...
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Mr.Obama doesn't think you have the right to bare arms and if you read the fine print in his health care plan the IRS has to turn over ALL of your info including everything to the people who over see your Health Care Plan it make the Patriot Act look like an ID check at Aldos
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I called you a liar, and since you did not reveal your "Tenfold" source I have proved you are.f.sciarrillo wrote:You want me to believe the biggest liberal news paper in the country? A paper that has been in bed with Obama more than any other liberal media organization? I don't think so.Hawk wrote:f.sciarrillo wrote: Obama didn't help the banks to keep us from going to into a depression. He helped the banks who helped in his campaign - Look at the list and you will see he picked and chose the ones he wanted to help, he left any that was/is against him out. If he would have left them fail we wouldn't be in a depression. With the auto industry, he wasn't helping the factory workers, he was giving a hand out to the unions who supported him ..
The white house even released last week that the deficit is up to 12 trillion. That is the democrats way - Spend more to put this country into bankruptcy so the whole USA can be relying on the government to pay their way. Why don't we all become one big socialist country. WE CAN BE THE USSA !!
Look at who this community organizer with his ways of ACORN, which still gets millions of our tax money - Of course they helped Obama as well. All I am waiting for now is the announcement of how much the Black Panthers were paid.
Info on the deficit -> http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
Another source of real time -> http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Oh, and bushes national debt grew 4 trillion during his term. Obama's is going to be around 9 trillion -> That is more than any Pres in history ... Of course anyone who supports him and his socialist ways is going to not believe any of it. Then you can look at his polls and see that 3/4 of the country is finally starting to see through his smoke cloud of bs. Like it is said: "A dog who slides his but on the floor will spread nothing but crap". Obama is that dog
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Read it an weep. Do you eat republican propaganda for lunch and vomit it out on Rockpage ? http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/20/us/po ... udget.html
"Tenfold in six months" Damn Lie ! I still want to know, do you just make things up ? Or do your sources make this up and you swollow it ?
Largest projections would be 9 trillion over ten years. If the economy turns around, the projection means NOTHING !
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090825/pl_ ... ama_budget
I'm curious too. Were you praising bill Clinton for his surplus ?
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Also: I am not a Republican or Democrat - I look at what is around me and take my opinion that way. I didn't praise Clinton, I still don't praise him. I didn't vote for Clinton or Obama.
Look at the last six months - Our Deficit went from 4 trillion to 12 trillion. What does that tell you? Of course a liberal won't believe it
Please learn your facts. And don't use made up ones to make your points.
There was a deficit when Bush took office, I could not find what it was. He increased it (if you're right) by four Trillion. I believe it was around eleven Trillion (can't find exactly what it was) when Bush left office. Obama has added about 1.5 Trillion, but in that figure IS his war budget and bailouts.
If you truly believe our deficit went from 4 to 12 trillion in 6 months, You prove you don't know what the hell you're talking about ! Or you like to make things up. Or you just have no clue what's going on.
Would a FOX report showing Obama will add 1.5 Trillion to the deficit in his first year be enough for you to believe ? I mean, do you trust anyone ? Where do you get your facts and I will go there.
Answer me this - Why weren't you complaining about the big deficits of Reagan, Bush, and especially screaming out when W was running us into the deficit ?
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First, you haven't read the healthcare plan, and you're lying if you say you did. You're well-versed in what neocon websites and radio have told you.ConservativeDude wrote:[It blows my mind that the liberals here haven't read the health care plan while us conservatives are very well versed in its text. I guess it won't matter when the death panels condem us all, anyways.
Second, you conservatives are also all Constitutional lawyers suddenly, as well. The Constitution mattered as of last November. When you took a major ass-whipping at the hands of the American Voter. 'Member that? It ruled!
And finally, I put in my application for deathpanel work. It's dreary work, but it's civil service, so the benefits are excellent! What's your gram's name?



BigJohn wrote:First off the American voter (most of them college students) who were DUPED into voting for that LIB by the media who made it the cool thing to do and by catchy tunes by guy like Will I. Am and not the facts that count ....
BTW are you happy that Obama has NOT repealed the Patriot Act ?
The facts are that it already has been misused.BigJohn wrote:Why Do you fear the Patriot Act ? I fear the terrorist who the Patriot act is out to get , Do you really think the Patriot act is to spy on law abiding peple like you and me ?
Try googling misuse of patriot act. there are lots http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 277.htmlof examples. here's one:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02277.html
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sorry, I'm not going into the religious part. But, having listened to Beck since he's been on locally, I tend to believe him. If he says he's a Christian, I'm sure he helps others, and gives to charity, etc.tornandfrayed wrote:
Where does "Whatever you do for the least of mine, you do for me" fall into this? You cannot be a christian and say that you don't want to help those less fortunate then others.
It does not end, not in this life.
If you believe like Beck does "I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life." Then you know that you are not storing your rewards here on this earth but through your deeds and kindness to others you are building up rewards in Heaven. I believe that, do you?
I guess the ideas are just too diametrically opposed for me to buy into. On one hand "I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life." but on the other hand "I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results." That is opposed to what Jesus taught. Jesus said that it is harder for a rich man to gain entry to heaven ... well you know right?
Explain....
"So many notes, so little time" - Jeff Wallack
Obviously anyone can see the potential for misuse. Water Gate would have never have happened if Nixon was president today. He would just listen in. How do you know Obama isn't listening to the conversations of Palin and Gingrich.BigJohn wrote:My point is if your not doing something wrong or illegal who cares? If your hiding something then you deserve to get caught ... and I dont think were talking about selling a little weed ...
Just the potential if misuse is scary.
Like George Bush. Remember the "red alerts" and yellow alerts". You thought he knew something because of the Patriot Act. Turns out Bush's first home land security head, Former PA Republican governor, Tom Ridge said he QUIT his position as head of homeland security Bush would put out an alert everytime his numbers needed a boost before his second election.
Some people have denied it but Tom Ridge is a respected man with little to gain by making it up.
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AMEN!tornandfrayed wrote:Can I get an Amen for the Grand Old US of A?
Also can I get any answer to my post above and Beck's 9/12 strategy?
As for Beck's 9/12 strategy, maybe a new conservative party?
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Would MSNBC, NBC, ABC, and CNN show the bad things about Obama? Nope .. I looked at the readings and Bushes deficit was 9 trillian at the end of his term. it is now 12 trillion. so so far he added 3 trillion to it. The difference between the two of them is that Bush was spending the money on defending the country, where as Obama is spending the money on criminals and idiots who supported him in his campaign. Call it how you want to call it. You will believe nothing I say, and I will believe nothing you say ... Isn't america great like that?Hawk wrote:I called you a liar, and since you did not reveal your "Tenfold" source I have proved you are.f.sciarrillo wrote:You want me to believe the biggest liberal news paper in the country? A paper that has been in bed with Obama more than any other liberal media organization? I don't think so.Hawk wrote:
Read it an weep. Do you eat republican propaganda for lunch and vomit it out on Rockpage ? http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/20/us/po ... udget.html
"Tenfold in six months" Damn Lie ! I still want to know, do you just make things up ? Or do your sources make this up and you swollow it ?
Largest projections would be 9 trillion over ten years. If the economy turns around, the projection means NOTHING !
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090825/pl_ ... ama_budget
I'm curious too. Were you praising bill Clinton for his surplus ?
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Also: I am not a Republican or Democrat - I look at what is around me and take my opinion that way. I didn't praise Clinton, I still don't praise him. I didn't vote for Clinton or Obama.
Look at the last six months - Our Deficit went from 4 trillion to 12 trillion. What does that tell you? Of course a liberal won't believe it
Please learn your facts. And don't use made up ones to make your points.
There was a deficit when Bush took office, I could not find what it was. He increased it (if you're right) by four Trillion. I believe it was around eleven Trillion (can't find exactly what it was) when Bush left office. Obama has added about 1.5 Trillion, but in that figure IS his war budget and bailouts.
If you truly believe our deficit went from 4 to 12 trillion in 6 months, You prove you don't know what the hell you're talking about ! Or you like to make things up. Or you just have no clue what's going on.
Would a FOX report showing Obama will add 1.5 Trillion to the deficit in his first year be enough for you to believe ? I mean, do you trust anyone ? Where do you get your facts and I will go there.
Answer me this - Why weren't you complaining about the big deficits of Reagan, Bush, and especially screaming out when W was running us into the deficit ?
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/29 ... 6228.shtml
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Problem with the Pat act is that if someone does not like what you are about and states that you are a potential problem, then you can disappear. No one has a problem with that?
I see your points though. I know that some people see things different from me, does not mean I have to go out of my way to prove them wrong, me right. Just means that we have a difference of opinion.
I like blue. Lets hear some posts on favorite colors and why I should not chose blue as my favorite....
I see your points though. I know that some people see things different from me, does not mean I have to go out of my way to prove them wrong, me right. Just means that we have a difference of opinion.
I like blue. Lets hear some posts on favorite colors and why I should not chose blue as my favorite....
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You are just incredibly inept. All I ask for was your sources to show me you weren't making things up. "Tenfold" - liar !f.sciarrillo wrote:Would MSNBC, NBC, ABC, and CNN show the bad things about Obama? Nope .. I looked at the readings and Bushes deficit was 9 trillian at the end of his term. it is now 12 trillion. so so far he added 3 trillion to it. The difference between the two of them is that Bush was spending the money on defending the country, where as Obama is spending the money on criminals and idiots who supported him in his campaign. Call it how you want to call it. You will believe nothing I say, and I will believe nothing you say ... Isn't america great like that?Hawk wrote:I called you a liar, and since you did not reveal your "Tenfold" source I have proved you are.f.sciarrillo wrote: You want me to believe the biggest liberal news paper in the country? A paper that has been in bed with Obama more than any other liberal media organization? I don't think so.
Also: I am not a Republican or Democrat - I look at what is around me and take my opinion that way. I didn't praise Clinton, I still don't praise him. I didn't vote for Clinton or Obama.
Look at the last six months - Our Deficit went from 4 trillion to 12 trillion. What does that tell you? Of course a liberal won't believe it
Please learn your facts. And don't use made up ones to make your points.
There was a deficit when Bush took office, I could not find what it was. He increased it (if you're right) by four Trillion. I believe it was around eleven Trillion (can't find exactly what it was) when Bush left office. Obama has added about 1.5 Trillion, but in that figure IS his war budget and bailouts.
If you truly believe our deficit went from 4 to 12 trillion in 6 months, You prove you don't know what the hell you're talking about ! Or you like to make things up. Or you just have no clue what's going on.
Would a FOX report showing Obama will add 1.5 Trillion to the deficit in his first year be enough for you to believe ? I mean, do you trust anyone ? Where do you get your facts and I will go there.
Answer me this - Why weren't you complaining about the big deficits of Reagan, Bush, and especially screaming out when W was running us into the deficit ?
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/29 ... 6228.shtml
I know who you voted for, and it wasn't King Kong like me
Learn - Bush DID NOT add the cost of the war to the national debt. His 4 trillion was the result of, well, spending. The fact that you don't know something so basic as that shows just how inept you are ! In other words everyone should not pay any attention to you. And you thought Bush's trillions were because of the war.

Unfortunately one can never get through to someone who has no clue haw things work and is uninterested in learning. I watch Fox and msnbc. I see the spins AND recognise them on both sides.
Done with you, as I see you know nothing and you make up the rest.
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I didn't insult you at all, and you call me inept and stupid. Typical "LEFT" wing propaganda, ridicule and blast anyone who doesn't agree with, or see your way .. Yep, alive and well .. Oh well.Hawk wrote:You are just incredibly inept. All I ask for was your sources to show me you weren't making things up. "Tenfold" - liar !f.sciarrillo wrote:Would MSNBC, NBC, ABC, and CNN show the bad things about Obama? Nope .. I looked at the readings and Bushes deficit was 9 trillian at the end of his term. it is now 12 trillion. so so far he added 3 trillion to it. The difference between the two of them is that Bush was spending the money on defending the country, where as Obama is spending the money on criminals and idiots who supported him in his campaign. Call it how you want to call it. You will believe nothing I say, and I will believe nothing you say ... Isn't america great like that?Hawk wrote: I called you a liar, and since you did not reveal your "Tenfold" source I have proved you are.
Please learn your facts. And don't use made up ones to make your points.
There was a deficit when Bush took office, I could not find what it was. He increased it (if you're right) by four Trillion. I believe it was around eleven Trillion (can't find exactly what it was) when Bush left office. Obama has added about 1.5 Trillion, but in that figure IS his war budget and bailouts.
If you truly believe our deficit went from 4 to 12 trillion in 6 months, You prove you don't know what the hell you're talking about ! Or you like to make things up. Or you just have no clue what's going on.
Would a FOX report showing Obama will add 1.5 Trillion to the deficit in his first year be enough for you to believe ? I mean, do you trust anyone ? Where do you get your facts and I will go there.
Answer me this - Why weren't you complaining about the big deficits of Reagan, Bush, and especially screaming out when W was running us into the deficit ?
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/29 ... 6228.shtml
I know who you voted for, and it wasn't King Kong like me
Learn - Bush DID NOT add the cost of the war to the national debt. His 4 trillion was the result of, well, spending. The fact that you don't know something so basic as that shows just how inept you are ! In other words everyone should not pay any attention to you. And you thought Bush's trillions were because of the war.Obama added Bush's war debt back on to the national debt. Hence the increased drop. Bush's contribution was 4 trillion PLUS his war.
Unfortunately one can never get through to someone who has no clue haw things work and is uninterested in learning. I watch Fox and msnbc. I see the spins AND recognise them on both sides.
Done with you, as I see you know nothing and you make up the rest.
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The Patriot Act was intended to protect regular hard working Americans from foreign nationals who would do us harm . I'm all for that, of course there are people who would miss use it. But do you really think those people in real power positions really need permission to tap your phone if they want to. So take the bad with the good and weigh out the benefits....
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