McCain's new "Hate" Tactics

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:14 am

Frank Schaffer, a Republican writer for the Baltimore Sun sums it up well. He has done much to help McCain get elected. Now he tries to reign him in.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinio ... 7571.story

What do you think of the behavior that McCain and Palin use, with their scare tactics concerning Obama ?

With the crowds yelling things like, "Kill him", "Bomb Obama" Terrorist ", and it all goes without any form of correction from McCain or Palin. As though they want to incite hate.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:44 am

Why is it hate when someone points out that Obama spent most of his career, before becoming a Senator, working closely with a domestic terrorist? William Ayers is a domestic terrorist, Obama worked for years with him trying to socialize public schools in the Chicago area, with the Annenberg Challenge funding they obtained.

Latest joke. What do Barack Hussein Obama and Osoma Bin Ladin have in common?

Both know people who have bombed the pentagon.

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:56 am

undercoverjoe wrote:Why is it hate when someone points out that Obama spent most of his career, before becoming a Senator, working closely with a domestic terrorist? William Ayers is a domestic terrorist, Obama worked for years with him trying to socialize public schools in the Chicago area, with the Annenberg Challenge funding they obtained.

Latest joke. What do Barack Hussein Obama and Osoma Bin Ladin have in common?

Both know people who have bombed the pentagon.

Yeah, I get you already.

tornandfrayed · Post by **tornandfrayed** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:20 am

I don't think it is going to matter. People like Joe will always be here. Palin's husband Todd is a member of an Alaskan party that wants to become a sovereign nation. The way it is coming out the real John McCain finally spoke up today and stood up. I knew down inside that he is not a hatemonger....

As far as serving on a board with someone, I do and I don't know much about those people. I don't hang with them. I once was in a room with a guy who raped a woman. I don't rape women.

I am starting to think that the "Bushites" won't win this time and we might be in for some prosperity. I know though that 4 months after Obama is elected all those wonderful changes that GWB put into place will start to take effect to change the economy...

I just want so badly for us to become enlightened. To become a nation of people that care about each other. In order to do that though we have to have more "we" and less "me". We have to be able top put aside our need to aquire...

Do you think we as a nation can? Can you Joe? If Obama wins will you support him? Will the Rockpagers who supported Bush (coming from LA I still find it strange that the musical community is so conservative) support Obama the way Liberals had to support GWB when the supreme court appointed him?

I am curious to see how it plays out....

bfoust · Post by **bfoust** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:53 am

I for one don't support either of them.. so... we'll just see I guess.

*writes in Chuck Norris*

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:12 am

bfoust wrote:I for one don't support either of them.. so... we'll just see I guess.

*writes in Chuck Norris*

This isn't about who anyone supports. It's.......What do you think of the "hate" tactics the McCain / Palin ticket is using ?

Overboard or not ?

bfoust · Post by **bfoust** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:17 am

I personally haven't witnessed it, got a link to video?

RamRod 1 · Post by **RamRod 1** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:30 am

I was enlightened today when McCain "corrected" the Woman that stated that Barack was an "Arab". I was also enlightened that McCain told that other guy that Barack was not to be feared and that he was a decent family guy.

That's the "Old McCain" that I respected in 2000 and in 2004 when he denounced the "Swiftboaters" against Kerry, and when he was a prisioner of war, but I was disappointed that McCain let the lies and total Bullshit run so long about Barack for the last couple of weeks and I think it hurt him. Aparently his campagin smelled the "winds".

Since McCain has cleaned up the "Act" today, I think it will help him but I also think it's too late.

bfoust · Post by **bfoust** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:00 am

I think it was too late when Palin opened her mouth.

YankeeRose · Post by **YankeeRose** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:55 am

You know, if you really think about all His Teachings, Jesus was a Socialist/Communist, and I suppose if He were to do today what He did (to, oh what were they, the money changers in the Temple?), in this country, the Patriot act being the piece of crap it is would label Him a terrorist.

If things are going to get as bad as many are saying (and those pesky computerized Voting machines give an accurate count

)we'll need to band together as a Nation, help one another and cease the incessant, insipid hate and fear mongering, for it accomplishes nothing but time and energy needlessly wasted. Imho, in today's day and age, we are supposed to be the most intelligent, evolved and enLightened Souls ever, and I can't fathom why so many refuse to see/feel what is important and just regarding so many aspects of life.
We are all in this together!

Side note: Hope I wasn't the only one to catch Buddy Guy on Letterman the other night. If so, hopefully you can find it online.

Obama is only a year or 2 older than I, so he'd still have been a child and living in Hawaii when Ayers was purportedly involved in anything even remotely illegal. By the way, Ayers was found NOT GUILTY. So much for trust in the legal system, justice and what I was thinking was the Libertarian way. Live and let live...yeah, right!

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:15 am

It doesn't matter who wins. We won't know officially till some time next year because the loser will do a Al Gore and contest it. Especially the loser of ohio.

With all this stuff coming out about Acorn, Terrorists support, radical preachers, and such makes you wonder if you could even trust the guy. As I know Obama will get elected ... So we are in for a interesting couple of years.

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:22 pm

f.sciarrillo wrote:It doesn't matter who wins. We won't know officially till some time next year because the loser will do a Al Gore and contest it. Especially the loser of ohio.

With all this stuff coming out about Acorn, Terrorists support, radical preachers, and such makes you wonder if you could even trust the guy. As I know Obama will get elected ... So we are in for a interesting couple of years.

You fell for the Republican rhetoric ?

It has been researched and proven that Obama was not close to Aires! (BTW aires was aquited anyhow)

He denounced the radical preacher.

Should we judge you by who you know ?

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:28 pm

RamRod 1 wrote:I was enlightened today when McCain "corrected" the Woman that stated that Barack was an "Arab". I was also enlightened that McCain told that other guy that Barack was not to be feared and that he was a decent family guy.

That's the "Old McCain" that I respected in 2000 and in 2004 when he denounced the "Swiftboaters" against Kerry, and when he was a prisioner of war, but I was disappointed that McCain let the lies and total Bullshit run so long about Barack for the last couple of weeks and I think it hurt him. Aparently his campagin smelled the "winds".

Since McCain has cleaned up the "Act" today, I think it will help him but I also think it's too late.

The problem is he already went too far. McCain has already incited so much hate that when he says "You shouldn't be scarred of Obama" his own crowd booed McCain ! In fact every time he defended Obama as a decent man he was booed.

Later in his speech he , again, repeated the terrorist ties to Obama.

I don't think he is a decent man. I think he got called on his hate inciting tactics, tried to back off, and his followers want "hate" in the speeches. Sad.

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:31 pm

If you feel comfortable with Obama, his views on the national anthen, wearing a flag pin, the people who associates with, the words that he has used himself to describe our nation, then by all means....vote for him.

That's the beauty of this nation. We all can vote the way we want to vote. But in the end, we do need to stand as a nation and support who ever may be in office with respect.

Respect...that's a word you don't see much now days. Children aren't taught to respect their own parents, teachers, and other adults even. Why should they when their own parents never show respect for others including those who hold positions of authority in some way or another?

The next President will not have as much affect on our country as the individuals who reside here as citizens. If as a country we do not respect our country as a whole, it will continue to fall apart.

You can not raise a child by telling him that he's bad, stupid, and no good. If you do this, the child will act out in angry, resentment, fear, and have no self worth. Now, do that multiplied by millions. If you tell a nation that they are going to fail and be hated, that is what you get. A nation that fails and that is hated...hated by their own.

The next President will not rule this country on his own. There is not one decision that he can make without the approval of others. Our country is governed by a team. A team that we get to elect into offices at various times. We are not a "One Man Nation".

I've said this many times....as a country we need to look at our own lives, then at our own community, then our own state and then the nation will become better. Total power is in the people.

The only complaint I really have about our government, is that they are in our business too much. We should be responsible for our own decisions and actions that fall within the law. I'm against the bailout because if I made a decision to purchase a home that cost $150,000 and now I can not afford it when I knew I was signing a loan agreement that could see an increase in interest, wasn't that my choice to do that? As a business that held those loans, was it the business choice to grant them?

As individuals, we have the responsibility to live within our own means. Yes, I probably live a little outside of mine from time to time...but its up to me to pull it back in. I worked hard to get a job that provides good insurance for my family. Those jobs are out there. Some just don't want to work for them.

We need to get back to the basics of life. Start putting a value on things that really matter and it starts with RESPECT for each other and our country.

I do know who I will be voting for in Nov. If that person doesn't win, I will respect the vote of my fellow country men and I will accept the winner as our next President. And if I'm not happy about life in my community, I will step up and take responsibility and help make changes as I can...whether it be by helping kids with an afterschool program, or raising funds for a little girl with cancer because her parents don't have enough insurance. That is our responsibility and rights as a citizen of this nation.

I think its fine to discuss our views of each candidate here. But please respect the fact that we all don't agree and that does not mean we buy into one side or another. I sure am glad that I will not be President. I can not imagine anyone truly wanting this job.

tornandfrayed · Post by **tornandfrayed** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:39 pm

I am amazed by the media. Watch CNN, MSNBC and Fox and it is just a trip. CNN and MSNBC will be talking about all sorts of things and Fox just keeps going over the Ayers thing and also ACORN. I mean does anyone really think that Fox News is anything but a daytime soap for the far right?

I have been watching all the different views that I can and I still come out laughing at the Fox guys....

But I am glad to see John McCain step out and stand up for what he believes. I think that he has been allowed to run because the RNC does not think there is a chance. McCain has been the ugly republican sister for years, now he is the best candidate?

Oh well, Que Sera, Sera!

Gallowglass · Post by **Gallowglass** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:47 pm

bfoust wrote:I for one don't support either of them.. so... we'll just see I guess.

*writes in Chuck Norris*

Norris is now a Ron Paul supporter.

http://tobefree.wordpress.com/2008/10/0 ... y-i-trust/

“Truthfully, when the Republicans were in control of the Congress in those first six years of Bush’s…, they ran us into the ground. So the Democrats said, ‘Well, we’ll change everything. We’ll make everything better.’ So now the Democrats have control of Congress, and they run us deeper into the ground. I don’t know who to trust. I don’t trust any of them. Ron Paul is the only guy I trust.

…If I had one wish, if they give me one wish, I’d like to line up all the members of Congress, and have Ron Paul walk with me down the line and say, ‘Okay, which one’s corrupted? Which one’s corrupted?’ And the ones he says, points to as corrupted I will choke them unconscious and stick them into a pile.” - CHuck Norris.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:25 pm

Hawk wrote:
f.sciarrillo wrote:It doesn't matter who wins. We won't know officially till some time next year because the loser will do a Al Gore and contest it. Especially the loser of ohio.

With all this stuff coming out about Acorn, Terrorists support, radical preachers, and such makes you wonder if you could even trust the guy. As I know Obama will get elected ... So we are in for a interesting couple of years.
You fell for the Republican rhetoric ?

It has been researched and proven that Obama was not close to Aires! (BTW aires was aquited anyhow)

He denounced the radical preacher.

Should we judge you by who you know ?

William Ayers bombed the Pentagon and other Federal buildings resulting in murdering Americans. He was released after an overzealous prosecutor did not do things properly. His response to his crimes is that he said that he did not do enough terrorists acts against his country.

Not only did Barry Hussein serve on a board with Ayers, Ayers picked his to oversee $100,000,000. in an Annenberg grant. Ayers would not hand over the responsibility of that much money unless he totally agreed with his philosophies.

When Barry Hussien decided to run for his first political office, his inaugural campaign fundraiser was held in William Ayers own home. That is ample evidence of more than the relationship Barry Hussein claims.

Am I a hater for pointing this out, Bill? Should I be shamed?

Edit: Now some more bad news for Barry Hussein, it seems jailed felon and political ally Rezko is now starting to sing like a canary in jail. He is telling prosecutes about the illegal shenanigans he and Barry Hussein were involved in.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081011/D93O5M100.html

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:52 pm

I thought McCain's biggest moment of the entire campaign happened yesterday. Most people only saw the soundbite they played on TV. What he was responding to was a dim-witted Neotard who said, "We have to get him out of there. He's an Arab."
Brilliant research, there, grandma.
I felt his answer was the most human moment of the entire campaign. He looked down, and became very humble... for a split-second, I felt like he was back in the Hanoi Hilton, talking to his captors. He told them they didn't need to be afraid of Obama, and THEY BOOED HIM. They booed the man for telling the truth and having honor. I was touched by his sincerity, and I think it shows him to be an honorable man. That move may have added a number of undecided voters to McCain's ranks.
The Ayers "controversy" is a tempest in a teapot. It seemed cooked up by (TA-DA!!) the Fox Gang, who is the new Rove Dream Team. Rove works at Fox News now, the organization who was the effective mouthpiece for the Republican Party last election cycle. They, along with Neo radio, kept a tight grip on public opinion last time... Roger Ailes, John Moody, Spinnity and Friends, etc. Rove saw how well it worked last time, and needed to get the hell out of Dodge due to some nagging treason-type charges, so he "went to work in the private sector." Here's the pisser: It isn't working. Everyday, we wake up to another economic crisis, we can't afford to drive or heat our homes, our homes have dropped in value, our savings is dropping in value, our jobs are gone, and we watch the rich get very rich. There's no national tragedy to hide behind this time, no instant-patriot button to push to make you feel better about yourself, nobody gives a sh*t if you wear your flag pin or not. The troop surge was the only thing in the last 4 years the Bushpilots accomplished, but helping Iraq's puppet gov't make themselves an $80 billion surplus while we pay for it isn't all that impressive, especially since we never found any WMD's, and bin Laden's STILL in Waziristan, several thousand miles away. Luckily, the oil we got in exchange really drove down the price of... Oops.
McCain definitely showed the right spirit and fortitude yesterday, and I applaud him. I just can't support his party with my vote.--->JMS

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:56 pm

Joe: Prove the connection between Ayers and Obama. Show how sitting on a board with him (and a LOT of Chicago's conservative elite as well) connects Obama to acts perpetrated when he was 8 years old. I'm interested in how an 8-year-old figures into this?---->JMS
edited for spelling

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:04 pm

He was in his 30's and 40's when he chose to ally himself with an unrepentant domestic terrorist. The 8 years old ruse is a red herring, having nothing to do with anything. He was a grown, educated man who chose to launch his political career from the house of a terrorist, murderer, radical socialist.

Why is Barry Hussein so quick to diminish his relationship with Ayers?

Why doesn't he come clean to the American public? You know, us haters out here, clinging to our guns and bibles. (I am big with guns, have never owned a bible)

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:15 pm

Bill Ayers is the red herring. It's an untenable connection to a current political opponent.
It's a game of Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon. I could tie anyone to anyone in six degrees or less. For instance, tying Sarah Palin to her witch-hunter, "Rev. " Muthy: Palin stood on a stage with him at his church, and delivered her testimony, detailing her out-there religious beliefs. That's just a single degree.
Now you. Tie Obama to Ayers at the time of his crime.----->JMS

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:16 pm

songsmith wrote:I thought McCain's biggest moment of the entire campaign happened yesterday. Most people only saw the soundbite they played on TV. What he was responding to was a dim-witted Neotard who said, "We have to get him out of there. He's an Arab."
Brilliant research, there, grandma.
I felt his answer was the most human moment of the entire campaign. He looked down, and became very humble... for a split-second, I felt like he was back in the Hanoi Hilton, talking to his captors. He told them they didn't need to be afraid of Obama, and THEY BOOED HIM. They booed the man for telling the truth and having honor. I was touched by his sincerity, and I think it shows him to be an honorable man. That move may have added a number of undecided voters to McCain's ranks.
The Ayers "controversy" is a tempest in a teapot. It seemed cooked up by (TA-DA!!) the Fox Gang, who is the new Rove Dream Team. Rove works at Fox News now, the organization who was the effective mouthpiece for the Republican Party last election cycle. They, along with Neo radio, kept a tight grip on public opinion last time... Roger Ailes, John Moody, Spinnity and Friends, etc. Rove saw how well it worked last time, and needed to get the hell out of Dodge due to some nagging treason-type charges, so he "went to work in the private sector." Here's the pisser: It isn't working. Everyday, we wake up to another economic crisis, we can't afford to drive or heat our homes, our homes have dropped in value, our savings is dropping in value, our jobs are gone, and we watch the rich get very rich. There's no national tragedy to hide behind this time, no instant-patriot button to push to make you feel better about yourself, nobody gives a sh*t if you wear your flag pin or not. The troop surge was the only thing in the last 4 years the Bushpilots accomplished, but helping Iraq's puppet gov't make themselves an $80 billion surplus while we pay for it isn't all that impressive, especially since we never found any WMD's, and bin Laden's STILL in Waziristan, several thousand miles away. Luckily, the oil we got in exchange really drove down the price of... Oops.
McCain definitely showed the right spirit and fortitude yesterday, and I applaud him. I just can't support his party with my vote.--->JMS

Another deja vu post from Johnny, blasting conservative media. I am still waiting for you to be critical of liberal media. Your silence must show you are in agreement with it.

Lets see now, Chris Matthews was the chief of staff and political adviser to Tip O'Neil, one of the most political Speaker of House leaders there ever was. Chris is a big man with MSNBC, so they have their own democratic Carl Rove, long before Fox got Rove.

ABC hired George Stephanopolos right from the Clinton White House, long before Fox hired Rove. I never read any thing about this from Johnny, so he must agree with it.

Even Tim Russert came to NBC after his role as Walter Mondale's cheif speech writer.

So the pattern is, if Fox News hires someone from a Republican background, Johnny thinks it is evil and biased.

When ABC and MSNBC, and NBC hire political wizards from Democrat backgrounds, it is just all right, Johnny will never type a word about them. Your middle of the road, moderate credentials are wearing thin.

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:25 pm

undercoverjoe wrote:So the pattern is, if Fox News hires someone from a Republican background, Johnny thinks it is evil and biased.

When ABC and MSNBC, and NBC hire political wizards from Democrat backgrounds, it is just all right, Johnny will never type a word about them. Your middle of the road, moderate credentials are wearing thin.

So, I take your reasoning is, if it's Republican/Neoconservative, it's good and correct. If it's middle or liberal, it's not. Correct? If that's so, your libertarian credentials are a bit thin as well. It's not okay for MSNBC to be liberal, but Fox has every right to be neo. Okaaaayyyy.
Now 'splain me how you and I different, other than being on opposite sides of the argument?------>JMS

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:27 pm

Plus, I don't watch MSNBC. At all. I watch more Faux.----->JMS

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:37 pm

songsmith wrote:
undercoverjoe wrote:So the pattern is, if Fox News hires someone from a Republican background, Johnny thinks it is evil and biased.

When ABC and MSNBC, and NBC hire political wizards from Democrat backgrounds, it is just all right, Johnny will never type a word about them. Your middle of the road, moderate credentials are wearing thin.

So, I take your reasoning is, if it's Republican/Neoconservative, it's good and correct. If it's middle or liberal, it's not. Correct? If that's so, your libertarian credentials are a bit thin as well. It's not okay for MSNBC to be liberal, but Fox has every right to be neo. Okaaaayyyy.
Now 'splain me how you and I different, other than being on opposite sides of the argument?------>JMS

I recognize that Fox is the bastion of neo-conservatism. I do not agree with them, and actually despise them for their treatment of Ron Paul. Any small government, libertarian message is completely ignored at Fox. And I just point out that you blast Fox all the time, but nary a nasty word for Democrats or liberal media.

Have you any problems with Barry Hussein's background with the socialist Ayers, the felon Rezko and the Hate America church he belonged to for 20 years? I would like an answer to this question, now another red herring about Palin's husband's Eskimo background or something to change the subject.

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