Bill would give president emergency control of Internet

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:41 pm

Thought the Patriot Act was bad, and it is, look at what the Messiah is cooking up.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10320096-38.html

"Probably the most controversial language begins in Section 201, which permits the president to "direct the national response to the cyber threat" if necessary for "the national defense and security." The White House is supposed to engage in "periodic mapping" of private networks deemed to be critical, and those companies "shall share" requested information with the federal government. ("Cyber" is defined as anything having to do with the Internet, telecommunications, computers, or computer networks.) "

Oh, for those of you sensitive liberals, I only call the president the Messiah because I am following the lead of Louis Farrakhan, who calls him that.

tornandfrayed · Post by **tornandfrayed** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:47 pm

This is not a bill that I would be in favor of but I was not in favor of the Patriot Act. I would be more inclined to trust the current regime rather then the last one though...

I am much more interested in what other ways you follow Louis Farrakhan. It is intriguing to me that someone like you would be one of his followers.

That is what followers do right? Follow the lead of someone...

Just curious...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Farrakhan

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:18 pm

Maybe they can get Al Gore to help with this? I figure since he claims to be the one who invented the internet and all ... lol

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:43 pm

tornandfrayed wrote:This is not a bill that I would be in favor of but I was not in favor of the Patriot Act. I would be more inclined to trust the current regime rather then the last one though...

I am much more interested in what other ways you follow Louis Farrakhan. It is intriguing to me that someone like you would be one of his followers.

That is what followers do right? Follow the lead of someone...

Just curious...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Farrakhan

There are a few things that I agree with Louis F. on. He is very much against so many young black men that father children and do not stay around to be a father to their kids. 70% of black children are born today to a single parent family, meaning the dad's are no where to be found. (These single moms and children end up on welfare. 60% of the total welfare roles are black Americans even though they only make up 12% of our population) F. and Bill Cosby have both spoken out about this situation.

Louis F. also is against so many young black men joining gangs and dealing drugs.

So, I agree with Louis F. on these things, and many other things I do not agree with him.

Is this OK with you TAF?

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:03 pm

^^ I agree with that ...

shredder138 · Post by **shredder138** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:11 pm

undercoverjoe wrote:
tornandfrayed wrote:This is not a bill that I would be in favor of but I was not in favor of the Patriot Act. I would be more inclined to trust the current regime rather then the last one though...

I am much more interested in what other ways you follow Louis Farrakhan. It is intriguing to me that someone like you would be one of his followers.

That is what followers do right? Follow the lead of someone...

Just curious...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Farrakhan
He is very much against so many young black men that father children and do not stay around to be a father to their kids.
Louis F. also is against so many young black men joining gangs and dealing drugs.

As should everyone.

tornandfrayed · Post by **tornandfrayed** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:19 pm

No problem here!

But thanks for asking!

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:11 pm

Doesn't the govt already have that power, legal or not? I remember seeing something a few years ago about all phone lines going through a single building, I figured they had that for the internet, too.
If BigBadO took control of the internet, what would he do with it? Is this the world-domination thing again? C'mon guys, you watch to many 007 movies. Obama's going to put you all on conveyor belts and point lasers at your goods. Then he'll tell you exactly how he did everything, leave, and you'll break free at the last possible second.

Maybe you feel he just wants to limit what you say (I know I do

), well, he can't. If you think Obama has all these amazing super-powers, then maybe you should stop watching movies with supervillains altogether.

--->JMS

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:18 pm

songsmith wrote:Doesn't the govt already have that power, legal or not? I remember seeing something a few years ago about all phone lines going through a single building, I figured they had that for the internet, too.
If BigBadO took control of the internet, what would he do with it? Is this the world-domination thing again? C'mon guys, you watch to many 007 movies. Obama's going to put you all on conveyor belts and point lasers at your goods. Then he'll tell you exactly how he did everything, leave, and you'll break free at the last possible second. Maybe you feel he just wants to limit what you say (I know I do ), well, he can't. If you think Obama has all these amazing super-powers, then maybe you should stop watching movies with supervillains altogether. --->JMS

Utterly amazing DOUBLE STANDARD. When a Republican, George W. (he was not a conservative) signed the Patriot Act, you about shit your pants.

Now your liberal Messiah is pushing for this bill to control the internet on a whim, and that whim is completely decided by his administration, and you are peachy keen on it.

Does it bother you that the Messiah controls the future of Rockpage in his hands? He can shut it and the whole internet down if he feels there is some emergency.

I know you are totally committed to the far left, liberal socialist movement, but supporting this is beyond koolaid.

timemoney0 · Post by **timemoney0** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:37 pm

Personally, I cringe at the idea of a constant bombardmant of Obama "pop-ups"

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:16 pm

undercoverjoe wrote:[Utterly amazing DOUBLE STANDARD. When a Republican, George W. (he was not a conservative) signed the Patriot Act, you about shit your pants.

Now your liberal Messiah is pushing for this bill to control the internet on a whim, and that whim is completely decided by his administration, and you are peachy keen on it.

Does it bother you that the Messiah controls the future of Rockpage in his hands? He can shut it and the whole internet down if he feels there is some emergency.

I know you are totally committed to the far left, liberal socialist movement, but supporting this is beyond koolaid.

Re-read, Skippy. I never said I supported Obama having EMERGENCY control of the internet. I wondered aloud what he'd do with it.
I now know you are a right-wing fraidy-cat, committed to spreading the fear you wallow in to everybody around you.
What the fuck would Big Bad want with ROCKPAGE? ROCKPAGE?? And when did I ever say that your buddy George Bush was turning the country into a totalitarian state (which YOU as a conservative LIKE GEORGE BUSH would have gladly allowed)?
You're pussing out in your old age Joe. You're letting rumors you read on wingnut blogs to scare the living shit out of you now, because it's easier than changing your mind about the extremist bull and admitting you were wrong about Bush and the other eff-ups you support.
Now, I'm off this computer, because HOLY SHITE, the sun came up again, it's a new day, and Big Bad hasn't taken my guns, cancelled Christmas, or killed my grammy, and I'm going kayaking. For free, I don't have to pay a corporation to do so.

--->JMS

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:22 pm

When the internet is shut down by your messiah, Rockpage will therefore be shut down also. Duh. Paint fumes getting to ya?

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:29 pm

undercoverjoe wrote:When the internet is shut down by your messiah,

OH MY GOD, JOE, OBAMA'S RIGHT BEHIND YOU!!! HE'S GOING TO KILL YOU!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!
Scaredy cat.--->JMS

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 3:34 pm

The god o spin, king of the ole double standard demonstrating his intelligent debating technique. If ole George W. had pushed a bill like this, you would still be posting about how dangerous it is.

I would bet that B. Hussein could rape your grandmother and you would find some way to justify it, all at the same time throwing some Spinnity and Rush trash talk in.

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:21 pm

My grandmother was willing. She was really drunk, and regretted the Jungle Fever the next day.

Look out, Joe! BigBad is looking in your window!

--->JMS

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:22 pm

PS-- Speaking of double-standards, I seem to recall YOU defending the Patriot Act, that Bush HAD to listen in on our calls to "protect" us.--->JMS

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:31 pm

Should Obama Control the Internet?
A new bill would give the President emergency authority to halt web traffic and access private data.

Should President Obama have the power to shut down domestic Internet traffic during a state of emergency?

Senators John Rockefeller (D-W. Va.) and Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) think so. On Wednesday they introduced a bill to establish the Office of the National Cybersecurity Advisor—an arm of the executive branch that would have vast power to monitor and control Internet traffic to protect against threats to critical cyber infrastructure. That broad power is rattling some civil libertarians.

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The Cybersecurity Act of 2009 (PDF) gives the president the ability to "declare a cybersecurity emergency" and shut down or limit Internet traffic in any "critical" information network "in the interest of national security." The bill does not define a critical information network or a cybersecurity emergency. That definition would be left to the president.

The bill does not only add to the power of the president. It also grants the Secretary of Commerce "access to all relevant data concerning [critical] networks without regard to any provision of law, regulation, rule, or policy restricting such access." This means he or she can monitor or access any data on private or public networks without regard to privacy laws.

Rockefeller made cybersecurity one of his key issues as a member of the Senate intelligence committee, which he chaired until last year. He now heads the Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, which will take up this bill.

"We must protect our critical infrastructure at all costs—from our water to our electricity, to banking, traffic lights and electronic health records—the list goes on," Rockefeller said in a statement. Snowe echoed her colleague, saying, "if we fail to take swift action, we, regrettably, risk a cyber-Katrina."

But the wide powers outlined in the Rockefeller-Snowe legislation has at least one Internet advocacy group worried. "The cybersecurity threat is real," says Leslie Harris, head of the Center for Democracy and Technology (CDT), "but such a drastic federal intervention in private communications technology and networks could harm both security and privacy."

The bill could undermine the Electronic Communications Privacy Act (ECPA), says CDT senior counsel Greg Nojeim. That law, enacted in the mid '80s, requires law enforcement seek a warrant before tapping in to data transmissions between computers.

"It's an incredibly broad authority," Nojeim says, pointing out that existing privacy laws "could fall to this authority."

Jennifer Granick, civil liberties director at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, says that granting such power to the Commerce secretary could actually cause networks to be less safe. When one person can access all information on a network, "it makes it more vulnerable to intruders," Granick says. "You've basically established a path for the bad guys to skip down."

The bill's scope, she says, is "contrary to what the Constitution promises us." That's because of the impact it could have on Internet users' privacy rights: If the Commerce Department uncovers evidence of illegal activity when accessing "critical" networks, that information could be used against a potential defendant, even if the department never had the intent to find incriminating evidence. And this might violate the Constitutional protection against searches without cause.

"Once information is accessed, it can be used for whatever purpose, no matter the original reason for accessing something," Granick says. "Who's interested in this [bill]? Law enforcement and people in the security industry who want to ensure more government dollars go to them."

Nojeim, though, thinks it's possible the bill's powers could be trimmed as it moves through Congress. "We will be working with them to clarify just what is needed and how to accomplish that," he says. "We're hopeful that some of the very broad powers that the bill would confer won't be included."

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/200 ... l-internet

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:22 pm

According to your source, this act allows the president to "shut down" the internet, then the story went on to enumerate how dangerous it would be for one person to "have access" to all information on the internet. Apples and oranges.
Who is "the Center for Democracy and Technology?" A bipartisan organization dedicated to openness and clarity, or a libertarian "thinktank" consisting of 3 white guys and a website? Getting all your info pre-spun for you, still?
What a bunch of pretenders. I am the GOD of Spin!

--->JMS

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:30 pm

songsmith wrote: Who is "the Center for Democracy and Technology?" a libertarian "thinktank" consisting of 3 white guys and a website?

http://www.cdt.org/staff/

Staff

* Leslie Harris, President and Chief Executive Officer
* Ari Schwartz, Vice President and Chief Operating Officer
* Jim Dempsey, Vice President for Public Policy
* John Morris, General Counsel and Director of CDT's Internet Standards, Technology and Policy Project
* David Sohn, Senior Policy Counsel and Director of CDT's Project on Intellectual Property and Technology
* Greg Nojeim, Senior Counsel and Director of CDT's Project on Freedom, Security and Technology
* Deven McGraw, Director of the Health Privacy Project at CDT
* Catherine Brack, Director of Development
* Brock N. Meeks, Director of Communications
* Portia Wenze-Danley, Director of Administration
* Alissa Cooper, Chief Computer Scientist
* Sheel M. Pandya, Policy Counsel
* Cynthia Wong, Plesser Fellow
* Harley Geiger, Staff Counsel
* Adam Rosenberg, New Media Manager
* Andrew McDiarmid, Policy Analyst
* Heather West, Policy Analyst
* Raeanne Young, Program Coordinator for CDT West
* Cyrus Nemati, Web Producer
* Danielle Wiblemo, Office Administrator
* Joshua Ruihley, Senior Technology Strategist

Fellows and Adjunct Staff

* David Johnson, Senior Resident Fellow
* Janlori Goldman, Senior Advisor, CDT Health Privacy Project
* George Sadowsky, Executive Director, Global Internet Policy Initiative (GIPI), a joint project of CDT and Internews
* Annie Anton, North Carolina State University, Computer Science Department
* Michael Carroll American University, Washington College of Law
* Michael Froomkin, University of Miami Law School
* Dan Hunter, New York Law School
* Deirdre Mulligan, UC Berkeley School of Information, Center for Law and Technology
* Paul Ohm, University of Colorado Law School
* David Post, Temple Law School
* Ira Rubinstein, NYU Law School
* Pamela Samuelson, University of California at Berkeley -- School of Law and School of Information
* Jonathan Zittrain, Harvard's Berkman Center and the Oxford Internet Institute

CDT Board of Directors

* Jerry Berman, Chairman and Founder

* Hal Abelson, Professor of Computer Science and Engineering, MIT
* Fred Epstein, President, Sage Consultants, LLC
* Morton Halperin, Senior Fellow, Center for American Progress
* Leslie Harris, President and Chief Executive Officer, CDT
* Beryl Howell
* Tracy Westen, Vice Chairman and CEO, Center for Governmental Studies

Board Alumni

* Mark Lloyd
* Daniel Weitzner, Technology and Society Policy Director, World Wide Web Consortium
* Toni Carbo, Professor, Univ. of Pittsburgh, School of Information Sciences
* Larry Irving, President and CEO of the Irving Information Group
* Hon. Don Edwards, Member, US. House of Representatives (1963-1995)
* Hon. Carol Fukunaga, Hawaii State Senate
* Michael Trister

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You mean the god o spin was wrong???????

tornandfrayed · Post by **tornandfrayed** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:46 pm

The fact that you typed all that out says a lot.

Can't sleep Obama will eat me, can't sleep obama will eat me....

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 10:06 pm

tornandfrayed wrote:The fact that you typed all that out says a lot.

Have you ever heard of copy and paste?

Now I understand why people like you do not understand articles about the internet.

hicksjd9 · Post by **hicksjd9** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 10:21 pm

Bill who? He sounds like a douche.

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:05 am

songsmith wrote:According to your source, this act allows the president to "shut down" the internet, then the story went on to enumerate how dangerous it would be for one person to "have access" to all information on the internet. Apples and oranges.
--->JMS

Are we ignoring this?

Oh, and you can go ahead and list all the libertarians in the universe, I'm not impressed by any of them. They take a few reasonable ideas, bend them to their own needs, and smash you in the face with them like, well... like you do. All those people you listed? None of them have any say in my life at all and never will. THAT is liberty, not your little you-as-king world.--->JMS

joltinjeff · Post by **joltinjeff** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:19 am

tornandfrayed wrote:The fact that you typed all that out says a lot.

Can't sleep Obama will eat me, can't sleep obama will eat me....

I used to have nightmares of clowns, rats and other things. Well I get all of that in one nightmare. His name is .................................................BARACK HUSSIEN OBAMA or as libbys like to call him "Jesus Christ"

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:51 am

songsmith wrote:
songsmith wrote:According to your source, this act allows the president to "shut down" the internet, then the story went on to enumerate how dangerous it would be for one person to "have access" to all information on the internet. Apples and oranges.
--->JMS
Are we ignoring this?

Oh, and you can go ahead and list all the libertarians in the universe, I'm not impressed by any of them. They take a few reasonable ideas, bend them to their own needs, and smash you in the face with them like, well... like you do. All those people you listed? None of them have any say in my life at all and never will. THAT is liberty, not your little you-as-king world.--->JMS

I don't have a single idea who any of those people are. I do not know if they are libertarians. I just looked up the web site and copied and pasted the staff. You said it might be 3 white guys and a web site. I just showed you how wrong you are about so many things.

It is not that source that says the president can shut down the internet during an "emergency", it is the bill itself, proposed by a socialist democrat, Jay Rockefeller.

But you have nothing to say about this happening, and one must surmise that is because it is socialist democrats who are doing it. If it were George W., you would react the exact opposite.

King of the double standard, god o spin.

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