anyone think this is a little wrong
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anyone think this is a little wrong
that Astra Zenica, huge drug manufacturer, is helping to sponsor an open house for veterans about Post Traumatic Stress Disorder? I believe the open house is meant to screen people for the disorder. Before I get slammed, yes, I believe the disorder exists and yes, I think we will see it in numbers never seen before. But involving the drug companies in this screening is pretty slick, huh? I'm just sayin....
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Such interesting posts.
Lisa and ZXW seem to agree. The government isn't doing enough.
D & D follows, obviously never been in combat, making fun of our veterans who suffer from post traumatic stress syndrome.
The fact that some idiot killed innocent people is atrocious, and for the shooter to use it as a defence seems terrible. But bringing that up in a thread with people showing concern for our combat troops, D&D's lack of concern SUCKS .
Lisa and ZXW seem to agree. The government isn't doing enough.
D & D follows, obviously never been in combat, making fun of our veterans who suffer from post traumatic stress syndrome.
The fact that some idiot killed innocent people is atrocious, and for the shooter to use it as a defence seems terrible. But bringing that up in a thread with people showing concern for our combat troops, D&D's lack of concern SUCKS .
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What does dungeons and dragons have to do with it?Hawk wrote:Such interesting posts.
Lisa and ZXW seem to agree. The government isn't doing enough.
D & D follows, obviously never been in combat, making fun of our veterans who suffer from post traumatic stress syndrome.
The fact that some idiot killed innocent people is atrocious, and for the shooter to use it as a defence seems terrible. But bringing that up in a thread with people showing concern for our combat troops, D&D's lack of concern SUCKS .

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don't put words in my mouth...it wasn't a slam on sevicemen/women...it just seems that more often than not, when a veteran goes on a shooting spree and the excuse comes out. what about regular citizens who have been victims of violent crimes, or maybe torture...should they be able to go to this screening?Hawk wrote:D & D follows, obviously never been in combat, making fun of our veterans who suffer from post traumatic stress syndrome.
there is no doubt that this is a real condition for some vets...i just don't believe that it always applies.
Uhmm....I didn't say the government isn't doing enough. I don't think that it is always the government's job to hold open houses and help to provide services to those in need. I think that business owners, citizens, family members, community service organizers, etc should help out.
I do think that the government needs to fix their current system of offerings to our veterans. Look at how they run our VA hospitals. So many have closed while others cannot provide service as fast as it should. Our cook gets a letter in the mail on Monday telling him his appointment is on Thursday. If he cannot make the time assigned, he will have to wait at least another six week before he gets another notification of the next appointment. I don't want the government to do any more than to fix what they are already in charge of running before they decide to do more.
I will feel comfortable with it when the VA system is fixed along with medicare, the postal service, and social security. I don't care who was in charge when the systems broke down....I don't care who is in charge when they get fixed. I do care who may attempt to add more government into the system before they fix these items though.
I applaud the business for providing this service even if it plugs their own medications. They could just keep selling the product and use the profits for paying out bonuses. This is how I like to see sharing the wealth happen.
I do think that the government needs to fix their current system of offerings to our veterans. Look at how they run our VA hospitals. So many have closed while others cannot provide service as fast as it should. Our cook gets a letter in the mail on Monday telling him his appointment is on Thursday. If he cannot make the time assigned, he will have to wait at least another six week before he gets another notification of the next appointment. I don't want the government to do any more than to fix what they are already in charge of running before they decide to do more.
I will feel comfortable with it when the VA system is fixed along with medicare, the postal service, and social security. I don't care who was in charge when the systems broke down....I don't care who is in charge when they get fixed. I do care who may attempt to add more government into the system before they fix these items though.
I applaud the business for providing this service even if it plugs their own medications. They could just keep selling the product and use the profits for paying out bonuses. This is how I like to see sharing the wealth happen.
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what i meant was maybe some sicko (they are out there) would come back from a tour and shoot some people...just for the thrill...and just say "well i have ptsd." almost manipulating people into believing that they are innocent. i'm not saying that has happened (that i know of) but i could see it happening.Hawk wrote:My apologies if I misunderstood, "if there weren't so much hype over this condition... (Especially the "..." part). That implied to me that if it weren't hyped, they somehow wouldn't claim to have it.
I know you didn't actually say it, but it IS the government's job to take proper care of it's veterns, as you seem to "actually say" on some level. Correct me if I'm wrong.Lisa wrote:Uhmm....I didn't say the government isn't doing enough. I don't think that it is always the government's job to hold open houses and help to provide services to those in need. I think that business owners, citizens, family members, community service organizers, etc should help out.
I do think that the government needs to fix their current system of offerings to our veterans. Look at how they run our VA hospitals. So many have closed while others cannot provide service as fast as it should. Our cook gets a letter in the mail on Monday telling him his appointment is on Thursday. If he cannot make the time assigned, he will have to wait at least another six week before he gets another notification of the next appointment. I don't want the government to do any more than to fix what they are already in charge of running before they decide to do more.
I will feel comfortable with it when the VA system is fixed along with medicare, the postal service, and social security. I don't care who was in charge when the systems broke down....I don't care who is in charge when they get fixed. I do care who may attempt to add more government into the system before they fix these items though.
I applaud the business for providing this service even if it plugs their own medications. They could just keep selling the product and use the profits for paying out bonuses. This is how I like to see sharing the wealth happen.
No one else (citizens etc.) can properly handle PTSS. It needs to be done by professionals. ZXW seemed to be questioning whether or not the drug company had an agenda other than helping our veterns. I don't have an answer to that. I would hope they are not just peddling their wares.
If the government were doing this, they would have no ulterior motive as they have no drugs to pedal.
So you're saying if no one talks about it (hype it) we would all be better off ? Tell that to all of the families who had veterns commit suicide. A much higher rate than your scenario I'm sure.DrumAndDestroy wrote:what i meant was maybe some sicko (they are out there) would come back from a tour and shoot some people...just for the thrill...and just say "well i have ptsd." almost manipulating people into believing that they are innocent. i'm not saying that has happened (that i know of) but i could see it happening.Hawk wrote:My apologies if I misunderstood, "if there weren't so much hype over this condition... (Especially the "..." part). That implied to me that if it weren't hyped, they somehow wouldn't claim to have it.
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no that's not what i'm saying at all. you are right about the suicide rate being higher for ptsd cases. i am not denying the fact that ptsd is a very real condition (see my above post). my point is that a few very desperate people could use it as an excuse once they commit a violent crime or a murder...it's not really that far-fetched. it's become a very sensationalized thing in the media.Hawk wrote:So you're saying if no one talks about it (hype it) we would all be better off ? Tell that to all of the families who had veterns commit suicide. A much higher rate than your scenario I'm sure.DrumAndDestroy wrote:what i meant was maybe some sicko (they are out there) would come back from a tour and shoot some people...just for the thrill...and just say "well i have ptsd." almost manipulating people into believing that they are innocent. i'm not saying that has happened (that i know of) but i could see it happening.Hawk wrote:My apologies if I misunderstood, "if there weren't so much hype over this condition... (Especially the "..." part). That implied to me that if it weren't hyped, they somehow wouldn't claim to have it.
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the point
The point was the tie in between the drug companies and the event. Much like the text books that are used in our colleges for the Medical Profession are written and distributed by the pharmaceutical companies! Yes???
Go figure! We, GOP and Dems are getting screwed.
My wife has just about cured herself of Asthma from using breathing exercises..
The Big Money pulls the strings and most of us seem to jump to the tune.
I just had to spend time with "The Forum" and remind myself over again that are lives are meant to be lived. We are meant to be so much more then we are...
Go figure! We, GOP and Dems are getting screwed.
My wife has just about cured herself of Asthma from using breathing exercises..
The Big Money pulls the strings and most of us seem to jump to the tune.
I just had to spend time with "The Forum" and remind myself over again that are lives are meant to be lived. We are meant to be so much more then we are...
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If their products work, what is wrong with them pushing it????
If the makers of Nexavar (a newly approved drug for kidney cancer) wants to sponsor the Kidney Cancer Association's conference, I say go for it! Let the word get out to the doctors that their patients who are suffering from this rare and almost incurable disease may have a chance with this new drug. Currently there are only a handful of possible treatments. I've had four family members with this disease. Two of them, including my mother, have died. It is not the government's duty to hold this very valuable conference and to tell the doctor's of the recent progress made on finding a possible cure. It is up to the manufacturer who has put out billions into the research and development.
Now, if a company has made a drug that may have a chance to help our veterans with their pdts, shouldn't they be able to help get the word out that it may help? I don't care if it is tooting their own horn or if it will help them "make money" because they have to make money to stay in business and move forward in the research and development of better medications for this and other diseases.
Heck, I'm always trying to convince you all that we have the best wings around and that ours are much bigger than hooters. Our wings that is... afterall, I would like to someday actually make money on our business.
If the makers of Nexavar (a newly approved drug for kidney cancer) wants to sponsor the Kidney Cancer Association's conference, I say go for it! Let the word get out to the doctors that their patients who are suffering from this rare and almost incurable disease may have a chance with this new drug. Currently there are only a handful of possible treatments. I've had four family members with this disease. Two of them, including my mother, have died. It is not the government's duty to hold this very valuable conference and to tell the doctor's of the recent progress made on finding a possible cure. It is up to the manufacturer who has put out billions into the research and development.
Now, if a company has made a drug that may have a chance to help our veterans with their pdts, shouldn't they be able to help get the word out that it may help? I don't care if it is tooting their own horn or if it will help them "make money" because they have to make money to stay in business and move forward in the research and development of better medications for this and other diseases.
Heck, I'm always trying to convince you all that we have the best wings around and that ours are much bigger than hooters. Our wings that is... afterall, I would like to someday actually make money on our business.
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YES tornandfrayed...that is the pointThe point was the tie in between the drug companies and the event. Much like the text books that are used in our colleges for the Medical Profession are written and distributed by the pharmaceutical companies! Yes???
lisa said
yea but are they diagnosing the problem at the conference? I feel it is quite different for drug companies to explain their drugs to physicians vs. a seminar for Joe Public to go to where he discusses his problem and gets an idea in his head from all of the ads around him that THIS may be the answer.If the makers of Nexavar (a newly approved drug for kidney cancer) wants to sponsor the Kidney Cancer Association's conference, I say go for it!
Yes those poor drug companies have to stay in business. Sorry but I don't think prescription drugs have all the answers and they are not creating new diseases and new poisons out of the goodness of their heart. They are practically running this country honey, they are so filthy rich.Now, if a company has made a drug that may have a chance to help our veterans with their pdts, shouldn't they be able to help get the word out that it may help? I don't care if it is tooting their own horn or if it will help them "make money" because they have to make money to stay in business and move forward in the research and development of better medications for this and other diseases.
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ZappasXWife wrote: Yes those poor drug companies have to stay in business. Sorry but I don't think prescription drugs have all the answers and they are not creating new diseases and new poisons out of the goodness of their heart. They are practically running this country honey, they are so filthy rich.
oh shit, more of those evil evil rich people spending billions of dollars to help treat and cure diseases. maybe a communist world would be a better solution, because communist russia was an amazing success

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Talk about incredible neiviety.slackin@dabass wrote:ZappasXWife wrote: Yes those poor drug companies have to stay in business. Sorry but I don't think prescription drugs have all the answers and they are not creating new diseases and new poisons out of the goodness of their heart. They are practically running this country honey, they are so filthy rich.
oh shit, more of those evil evil rich people spending billions of dollars to help treat and cure diseases. maybe a communist world would be a better solution, because communist russia was an amazing successthat's why i don't understand democrats. do you blindly ignore history, or are you just so naive that no one thinks history will repeat itself? (not directed at you, zappa's ex, just that what you said is exactly what every liberal "save everyone that could save themselve for the acheivment of fairness to everyone, even though that by making the world fair to one group of people we alienate 2 other groups" democrats say. i'm all for helping people, i just don't think the government should do it. there are good people in the world. really. just think if instead of the federal government holding a gun to your head and making you help, people just helped. i'd feel better after i just help, but i hate when people make me do things, as i'm sure everyone feels.)
Marxist socialism is pure socialism. Our country is a capalist country with social programs. HUGH DIFFERENCE. Social programs YOU (singular, not plural) use every day.
PLEASE separate the rich from the rich industries. The rich industries have one thing in mind (which is good), profits. Unfortunately they may sometimes cross the line to greedy. Like the current health insurance industry.
So while you might trust business more than government, I don't trust one more than the other.
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Here's a silly idea. Let's have the people who represent us (by election) see what they can do to bring down the cost of health insurance and make it more affordable. How the how is that Communism ?