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The only thing neocons have to crow about is that it only took the neoprogs less than a year to be exposed and rejected for what they represent. It took the neocons several years to attain that status. The people have had enough from both sides are are now engaged in a political insurrection the likes of which we haven't seen since the formation of the republican party before the Civil War.songsmith wrote:At long last, the conservative utopia can begin!--->JMS
This is just gushing with irony. This was literally the "seat of democrat power" and it was wrested away by nothing less than The Boston Tea Party.

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The indies are jumpin ship like rats.BIG BLOATED government is not what they signed up for.......but it's exactly what they're getting.I've said all along if Barry could have contained himself for a few years,kept it in his pants if you will,he could have drivin the last nail.Like Jeff said,a mere c-hair under a year he's already exposed himself as the left-wing fringe suckup WE know he is.I want government OUT of my life and i don't care how it happens.Funny the state that already has state run healthcare is the first place to say "noway.no thanks.Been there done that,not a good idea.
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The irony is delicious. Mass state health care is very expensive and unpopular. Those folks know how bad state run health care is.whitedevilone wrote:The indies are jumpin ship like rats.BIG BLOATED government is not what they signed up for.......but it's exactly what they're getting.I've said all along if Barry could have contained himself for a few years,kept it in his pants if you will,he could have drivin the last nail.Like Jeff said,a mere c-hair under a year he's already exposed himself as the left-wing fringe suckup WE know he is.I want government OUT of my life and i don't care how it happens.Funny the state that already has state run healthcare is the first place to say "noway.no thanks.Been there done that,not a good idea.Peace.
Traditionally, the candidate that spends the most money, or has the most money spent for them, wins. The polls were in her favor by what? 40 points ? Did the people like health care at that point ? Or was it that he out advertised and she didn't have the money to combat in the last few weeks ?
Millions of people will be left without any proper access to a regular doctor. When they're good and sick they will go to the Emergency where YOU will cover their bill. Some will die early as a result of a lack of proper care.
More medical related bankruptcies will ensue as medical bills put people in debt.
They insurance industry has no compitition and are exempt from anti trust (monopoly) laws. They spend around $.27 per $1.00 on health care. The rest goes to their bureaucracy, bonuses, advertising, and lobbying (buying) congress.
If this is what you want, then yes, you won.
It could only be the Antichrist that could convince you that not helping people and paying less taxes is a religious moral thing to do.
Actually celebrating that people will die because of a lack of proper health care is just plain sickening and anti-moral.
Greed is good...Helping others is bad...
Millions of people will be left without any proper access to a regular doctor. When they're good and sick they will go to the Emergency where YOU will cover their bill. Some will die early as a result of a lack of proper care.
More medical related bankruptcies will ensue as medical bills put people in debt.
They insurance industry has no compitition and are exempt from anti trust (monopoly) laws. They spend around $.27 per $1.00 on health care. The rest goes to their bureaucracy, bonuses, advertising, and lobbying (buying) congress.
If this is what you want, then yes, you won.
It could only be the Antichrist that could convince you that not helping people and paying less taxes is a religious moral thing to do.
Actually celebrating that people will die because of a lack of proper health care is just plain sickening and anti-moral.
Greed is good...Helping others is bad...
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Liberals never think what they are doing is wrong.They only assume they haven't done enough of it yet.Hawk wrote:Do you really think status quo is better ?undercoverjoe wrote:Bill, do you really think that a 2000 page bill in Congress is going to take care of all the problems you list?

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The End
We are in a system that is only going to get worse. I know a lot of you say "I want the gov out of my life" but that is only until the roads are un-usable and you have to pay to fix them if you want to use them. Or maybe the day your kids get sent home and you either have to pay for daycare or a private school. Or maybe if we eliminated gov all together then you know we would also no longer have to worry about those pesky little critters called laws. Cause how many of you really believe that without the fear of penalties people would treat each other right? Some would but most would not, call me a pessimist.
Problem that I see is timing. I am very disappointed that the Gov (Barrack) did not wait on Healthcare until the problems with jobs and the economy have a least been given the proper weight. We have to resolve the work problem and I don't really see an answer. We are a global community and we are going to have a hard time competing. Not that I am anti American because I am not. I have long made my view clear about the need to tear down the existing gov and start fresh. We need to eliminate career politicians, impose strict term limits and gain control over things like property values that make our country hard to deal with. The list of problems with the gov is too long to go into here.
I already know that I will get ripped for one thing or another but the truth is that as long as we are not working together we are doomed to failure. As long as we define ourselves with the labels of our peers then our doom is imminent. Won't be today, won't be tomorrow but it is the outcome most possible. (2012?)
The future is ours but we will not take it and own it and take the responsibility for it. We leave that to the ones "In Charge". We bitch and moan so much you would think we were all teen agers, yet we don't commit our lives to changing the standard and making our country better. We, in general, are fat and lazy (myself included) and probably deserve what is coming.
Republican, democrat, independent or undercover stalker.
Shame on us.
Problem that I see is timing. I am very disappointed that the Gov (Barrack) did not wait on Healthcare until the problems with jobs and the economy have a least been given the proper weight. We have to resolve the work problem and I don't really see an answer. We are a global community and we are going to have a hard time competing. Not that I am anti American because I am not. I have long made my view clear about the need to tear down the existing gov and start fresh. We need to eliminate career politicians, impose strict term limits and gain control over things like property values that make our country hard to deal with. The list of problems with the gov is too long to go into here.
I already know that I will get ripped for one thing or another but the truth is that as long as we are not working together we are doomed to failure. As long as we define ourselves with the labels of our peers then our doom is imminent. Won't be today, won't be tomorrow but it is the outcome most possible. (2012?)
The future is ours but we will not take it and own it and take the responsibility for it. We leave that to the ones "In Charge". We bitch and moan so much you would think we were all teen agers, yet we don't commit our lives to changing the standard and making our country better. We, in general, are fat and lazy (myself included) and probably deserve what is coming.
Republican, democrat, independent or undercover stalker.
Shame on us.
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Yes Bill, and let me see if I can make it clearer to you:Hawk wrote:Do you really think status quo is better ?undercoverjoe wrote:Bill, do you really think that a 2000 page bill in Congress is going to take care of all the problems you list?
If you need a snare drum, you don't order the whole band to get new equipment.
...Oh, the freedom of the day that yielded to no rule or time...
You prove yourself to be a stupid AGAIN. Many Republicans were screaming that Obama was outspending McCain because of his on line contributions. "If Obama wins this thing it's because he's cheating ladies and gentlemen. He's using a source of contributions that frankly, I believe is illegal. "f.sciarrillo wrote:You are seriously one "different" individual. What are you going to say when Obama isn't re-elected? That he didn't have enough money to spend on his campaign? The money aspect of it is BS. Coakley thought she was a shoe-in so she didn't campaign at the beginning, it wasn't till she saw the polls that she started. So she is stupid. Although that is a moot point because I don't think she would have won either way .. I am glad she isn't in there. After her saying that there are no more terrorists in Afghanastan, she showed just how out of touch she is ...Hawk wrote:Traditionally, the candidate that spends the most money, or has the most money spent for them, wins. The polls were in her favor by what? 40 points ? Did the people like health care at that point ? Or was it that he out advertised and she didn't have the money to combat in the last few weeks ?
Millions of people will be left without any proper access to a regular doctor. When they're good and sick they will go to the Emergency where YOU will cover their bill. Some will die early as a result of a lack of proper care.
More medical related bankruptcies will ensue as medical bills put people in debt.
They insurance industry has no compitition and are exempt from anti trust (monopoly) laws. They spend around $.27 per $1.00 on health care. The rest goes to their bureaucracy, bonuses, advertising, and lobbying (buying) congress.
If this is what you want, then yes, you won.
It could only be the Antichrist that could convince you that not helping people and paying less taxes is a religious moral thing to do.
Actually celebrating that people will die because of a lack of proper health care is just plain sickening and anti-moral.
Greed is good...Helping others is bad...
I can always predict a winner in Altoona by who has the most signs and TV adds. I've never been wrong yet.
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Yet another ill-informed comment from an ill-informed pundit.whitedevilone wrote:The indies are jumpin ship like rats.BIG BLOATED government is not what they signed up for.......but it's exactly what they're getting.I've said all along if Barry could have contained himself for a few years,kept it in his pants if you will,he could have drivin the last nail.Like Jeff said,a mere c-hair under a year he's already exposed himself as the left-wing fringe suckup WE know he is.I want government OUT of my life and i don't care how it happens.Funny the state that already has state run healthcare is the first place to say "noway.no thanks.Been there done that,not a good idea.Peace.
Rush was playing segments of Brown answering reporters questions. Brown stated unequivocally that HE voted FOR the Massachusetts Health Care and was proud of it. Bragging that it covered 98% of the people in Massachusetts and what a good thing they have !
His point against the current National Health Care Bill, "It doesn't do anything for MY state". NO SHIT, they already have health care.
Sorry to burst your bubble whitedevilone. Well, no I'm not.
Tell me again how there was no deficit when Bush left officef.sciarrillo wrote:Obama got elected because he was not bush. That is the only reason. The anger that was growing against the Previous President is a big factor. As with the big factor as to why coakly lost. You can try and prove all you want. But your points are way to over barden with reality. You may think I or anyone who does not agree with are stupid and you make think you are right ALL THE TIME. But you are only right and everyone is stupid in your mind. You watch the elections this year. You will see that you are one of about maybe 100 people in this country who think what you think. Change is happening and change is coming. It is the change of the socialist ideologists being kicked out of officeHawk wrote:You prove yourself to be a stupid AGAIN. Many Republicans were screaming that Obama was outspending McCain because of his on line contributions. "If Obama wins this thing it's because he's cheating ladies and gentlemen. He's using a source of contributions that frankly, I believe is illegal. "f.sciarrillo wrote: You are seriously one "different" individual. What are you going to say when Obama isn't re-elected? That he didn't have enough money to spend on his campaign? The money aspect of it is BS. Coakley thought she was a shoe-in so she didn't campaign at the beginning, it wasn't till she saw the polls that she started. So she is stupid. Although that is a moot point because I don't think she would have won either way .. I am glad she isn't in there. After her saying that there are no more terrorists in Afghanastan, she showed just how out of touch she is ...
I can always predict a winner in Altoona by who has the most signs and TV adds. I've never been wrong yet.

Now that you have defended Brown vs. Coakley. Defend yourself against the rest of the same post from me.f.sciarrillo wrote:You are seriously one "different" individual. What are you going to say when Obama isn't re-elected? That he didn't have enough money to spend on his campaign? The money aspect of it is BS. Coakley thought she was a shoe-in so she didn't campaign at the beginning, it wasn't till she saw the polls that she started. So she is stupid. Although that is a moot point because I don't think she would have won either way .. I am glad she isn't in there. After her saying that there are no more terroristHawk wrote:Traditionally, the candidate that spends the most money, or has the most money spent for them, wins. The polls were in her favor by what? 40 points ? Did the people like health care at that point ? Or was it that he out advertised and she didn't have the money to combat in the last few weeks ?
Millions of people will be left without any proper access to a regular doctor. When they're good and sick they will go to the Emergency where YOU will cover their bill. Some will die early as a result of a lack of proper care.
More medical related bankruptcies will ensue as medical bills put people in debt.
They insurance industry has no compitition and are exempt from anti trust (monopoly) laws. They spend around $.27 per $1.00 on health care. The rest goes to their bureaucracy, bonuses, advertising, and lobbying (buying) congress.
If this is what you want, then yes, you won.
It could only be the Antichrist that could convince you that not helping people and paying less taxes is a religious moral thing to do.
Actually celebrating that people will die because of a lack of proper health care is just plain sickening and anti-moral.
Greed is good...Helping others is bad...
The public option would be a snare drum for those who desperately need one. Not everyone buys one.lonewolf wrote:Yes Bill, and let me see if I can make it clearer to you:Hawk wrote:Do you really think status quo is better ?undercoverjoe wrote:Bill, do you really think that a 2000 page bill in Congress is going to take care of all the problems you list?
If you need a snare drum, you don't order the whole band to get new equipment.
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I never said Obama was not adding to the deficit. My question to you was always the same. You NEVER answered but ignored it. You constantly (and wrongly) argued there was no deficit until Obama. That as blatant stupidity. I WAS right and YOU were wrong, quite simple...f.sciarrillo wrote: Tell me again how the deficit is at 12 - 2 trillion of that was added Obamas first year of office, also tell me how it will be 16 trillion by the time Barry leaves office - with the way he is spending money, it will that by the end of this year. Also tell me again how there are 17% of Americans out of work when this porkulous was supposed to make it where that wouldn't go above 8. Tell me again how a socialist country does a person good?
I will tell you what. Since you seem to feel so strongly about socialism and paying for every ones health care. Why don't you give 100% of your from now until the day you die to help pay for it.
Now it seems I have educated you and you do know there was a deficit when Bush left office.
So my next question (asked of you before but never answered) is why didn't you know there was a deficit BEFORE Obama. Again, blatant stupidity OR Fox didn't tell you.
Next question (asked before but never answered). Why didn't the deficit matter to the right until it crossed 10 trillion ? Why was there no Tea Party when Bush cut taxes to the rich and INCREASED spending (blatant stupidity on his part) ? Why was a 10 trillion dollar deficit when Bush was in office tat it got NO air time on Fox or Limbaugh ?
Who predicted 16 trillion ?
I told you many times before. ALL of the companies that left the US the last two years of Clinton and all eight years of Bush ARE NOT COMMING BACK. Not unless American factories are ready to work for about $.50 a day. Obama cannot create jobs out of thin air. What exactly is the right wing plan for creating jobs ? Nothing.
Tell me how we would be better off by letting wall street and all the banks collapse - EVERYONE loosing everything. Tell me how we would have more jobs by closing Chrysler and GM .
The unemployment rate would be higher without the stimulus. The fact that their prediction was wrong is moot relative to the fact that it would be worse without it.
Re: Scott Brown won Mass Senate seat .
Tell me again why you're so happy people will die without proper acess to a doctor.f.sciarrillo wrote:Scott Brown won Mass Senate .. Oh, how the tides are turning ...
Tell me why you call yourself a Christiian yet refuse to pay Ceaser ? And why you don't want to help the sick. That is the epitimy of the Antichrist.
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Please brother step back.Nowhere in my post did i mention Brown's stance on staterun healthcare.I was talking about the PEOPLE!Once again like a true droid who needs the government as a guide on how to think and live you miss the will of the PEOPLE.Bill you could never burst my bubble.I like you too much and you always provide me with a laugh and a smile.Hawk wrote:Yet another ill-informed comment from an ill-informed pundit.whitedevilone wrote:The indies are jumpin ship like rats.BIG BLOATED government is not what they signed up for.......but it's exactly what they're getting.I've said all along if Barry could have contained himself for a few years,kept it in his pants if you will,he could have drivin the last nail.Like Jeff said,a mere c-hair under a year he's already exposed himself as the left-wing fringe suckup WE know he is.I want government OUT of my life and i don't care how it happens.Funny the state that already has state run healthcare is the first place to say "noway.no thanks.Been there done that,not a good idea.Peace.
Rush was playing segments of Brown answering reporters questions. Brown stated unequivocally that HE voted FOR the Massachusetts Health Care and was proud of it. Bragging that it covered 98% of the people in Massachusetts and what a good thing they have !
His point against the current National Health Care Bill, "It doesn't do anything for MY state". NO SHIT, they already have health care.
Sorry to burst your bubble whitedevilone. Well, no I'm not.

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I was pointing out why you are wrong with this comment. The PEOPLE of Massachusetts have state run government health care already. Brown made the point that that is a good thing and Massachusetts doesn't need a Federal health plan, because they love their own government run health plan.whitedevilone wrote:Funny the state that already has state run healthcare is the first place to say "noway.no thanks.Been there done that,not a good idea.Peace.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seen to be saying the PEOPLE of Massachusetts have "been there, done that, not a good idea. I'm pointing out that according to Brown, YOU ARE WRONG.
It should read, "We already have government run health care, it is good, we don't need a federal plan."
\whitedevilone wrote:Please brother step back.Nowhere in my post did i mention Brown's stance on staterun healthcare.I was talking about the PEOPLE!Once again like a true droid who needs the government as a guide on how to think and live you miss the will of the PEOPLE.Bill you could never burst my bubble.I like you too much and you always provide me with a laugh and a smile.Hawk wrote:Yet another ill-informed comment from an ill-informed pundit.whitedevilone wrote:The indies are jumpin ship like rats.BIG BLOATED government is not what they signed up for.......but it's exactly what they're getting.I've said all along if Barry could have contained himself for a few years,kept it in his pants if you will,he could have drivin the last nail.Like Jeff said,a mere c-hair under a year he's already exposed himself as the left-wing fringe suckup WE know he is.I want government OUT of my life and i don't care how it happens.Funny the state that already has state run healthcare is the first place to say "noway.no thanks.Been there done that,not a good idea.Peace.
Rush was playing segments of Brown answering reporters questions. Brown stated unequivocally that HE voted FOR the Massachusetts Health Care and was proud of it. Bragging that it covered 98% of the people in Massachusetts and what a good thing they have !
His point against the current National Health Care Bill, "It doesn't do anything for MY state". NO SHIT, they already have health care.
Sorry to burst your bubble whitedevilone. Well, no I'm not.
As Brown points out, the will of the PEOPLE in Massachusetts IS government run health care ! What PEOPLE are you talking about ? Some minority Massachusetts teabaggers ?