Isn't it Ironic?

RobTheDrummer · Post by **RobTheDrummer** » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:02 pm

The government buys out GM....then when Toyota has some recalls and issues with vehicles, the government throws them under the bus??? Hmm.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:13 pm

Its probably the biggest conflict of interest on a mass scale that I have ever seen.

Flaw · Post by **Flaw** » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:21 pm

I can't complain about any of these bail outs. So far the bail outs have been helping my place of work by bringing in new contracts with gm and bank of america.

RobTheDrummer · Post by **RobTheDrummer** » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:23 pm

Flaw wrote:I can't complain about any of these bail outs. So far the bail outs have been helping my place of work by bringing in new contracts with gm and bank of america.

Who is gonna pay for the bailouts? When the money runs out again, then what? More bailouts?

Flaw · Post by **Flaw** » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:48 pm

your right rob, if this bail out would of never of happened we would never have to pay for any deficit our country has. There was no pointless spending until obama got into office.

now in all seriousness, the money that we are getting in contracts is helping a lot of my fellow employees keep their jobs in this slow period of the year. so this bail out is helping right here in blair county. I could see if ALL the money went into a ceo's pocket, but this is being reinvested into other industries giving them work. Which in all intensive purposes is saving other jobs from being lost. Im sorry you can't look past you political party or your wallet to see any of this.

sorry for my rudeness but i look at some of coworkers and see that they need their jobs more then you need a few bucks in your check.

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:04 am

aaaaaaAAAHHHH

onegunguitar · Post by **onegunguitar** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:28 am

Hawk wrote:aaaaaaAAAHHHH

Easy Bill,don't give in to the temptation!!! Hahahaha!!

witchhunt · Post by **witchhunt** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:29 am

RobTheDrummer wrote:The government buys out GM....then when Toyota has some recalls and issues with vehicles, the government throws them under the bus??? Hmm.

December 7, 1941.

But seriously, isn't it a matter of Toyota knowing some models had major problems and not doing anything to fix them?

Charltor · Post by **Charltor** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:51 am

JAP SUB!!!

witchhunt · Post by **witchhunt** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:54 am

I love that shit!

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:00 am

RobTheDrummer wrote:
Flaw wrote:I can't complain about any of these bail outs. So far the bail outs have been helping my place of work by bringing in new contracts with gm and bank of america.
Who is gonna pay for the bailouts? When the money runs out again, then what? More bailouts?

Every American (every single one of us, including brand newborn babies) now owes over $45,000.00 to cover the cost of the national debt. Now if only the unemployed can get jobs and start handing it over to the government.

Merge · Post by **Merge** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:44 am

RobTheDrummer wrote:The government buys out GM....then when Toyota has some recalls and issues with vehicles, the government throws them under the bus??? Hmm.

I was going to post something about that, but I figured someone would beat me to it. The other car makers have had all kinds of recalls over the years, why wasn't there a congressional investigation for those issues??

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:11 pm

Hawk wrote:aaaaaaAAAHHHH

Was that a sneeze?

PanzerFaust · Post by **PanzerFaust** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:29 pm

Lisa wrote:
Hawk wrote:aaaaaaAAAHHHH
Was that a sneeze?

Not quite.. there was no..

Cheeeeeeeewwwwww

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:09 pm

PanzerFaust wrote:
Lisa wrote:
Hawk wrote:aaaaaaAAAHHHH
Was that a sneeze?
Not quite.. there was no..

Cheeeeeeeewwwwww

Actually there was, but we couldn't see it. It was Bill chewing on his thoughts.

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:39 pm

That whole Toyota hearing was purely for the benefit of voters. Welcome to election-year politics, now in full effect. The laughable healthcare hearings were high theatre, too... Obama said, "Let's not make this an endless string of talking-points" then delivered soundbite after soundbite. Busting McCain's balls wasn't helpful or necessary, it was specifically made for a 4-second bit for the evening news, and everybody played it over and over. McConnell and that other Republican were just as bad, but it's expected, that's all they ever do.
Those guys don't give a rodent's gluteals about Toyota's problems, and American cars are recalled all the time. It's all about how "concerned" these a-holes suddenly are for their constituents, who are planning to fire most of them in a few months.--->JMS

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:25 pm

The hearing still aren't going to help the election. The Americans already decided who they are throwing out and who they are keeping.

I think of the biggest reasons why they threw Toyota under the bus is because their unions didn't spend billions in campaign contributions. OF course it could also be because the company isn't American, then of course that could just be speculation.

RobTheDrummer · Post by **RobTheDrummer** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:30 pm

songsmith wrote:That whole Toyota hearing was purely for the benefit of voters. Welcome to election-year politics, now in full effect. The laughable healthcare hearings were high theatre, too... Obama said, "Let's not make this an endless string of talking-points" then delivered soundbite after soundbite. Busting McCain's balls wasn't helpful or necessary, it was specifically made for a 4-second bit for the evening news, and everybody played it over and over. McConnell and that other Republican were just as bad, but it's expected, that's all they ever do.
Those guys don't give a rodent's gluteals about Toyota's problems, and American cars are recalled all the time. It's all about how "concerned" these a-holes suddenly are for their constituents, who are planning to fire most of them in a few months.--->JMS

I actually agree with Johnny on something!

mjb · Post by **mjb** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:39 pm

RobTheDrummer wrote:
songsmith wrote:That whole Toyota hearing was purely for the benefit of voters. Welcome to election-year politics, now in full effect. The laughable healthcare hearings were high theatre, too... Obama said, "Let's not make this an endless string of talking-points" then delivered soundbite after soundbite. Busting McCain's balls wasn't helpful or necessary, it was specifically made for a 4-second bit for the evening news, and everybody played it over and over. McConnell and that other Republican were just as bad, but it's expected, that's all they ever do.
Those guys don't give a rodent's gluteals about Toyota's problems, and American cars are recalled all the time. It's all about how "concerned" these a-holes suddenly are for their constituents, who are planning to fire most of them in a few months.--->JMS
I actually agree with Johnny on something!

me too! wow!

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:23 pm

f.sciarrillo wrote:The hearing still aren't going to help the election. The Americans already decided who they are throwing out and who they are keeping.

I think of the biggest reasons why they threw Toyota under the bus is because their unions didn't spend billions in campaign contributions. OF course it could also be because the company isn't American, then of course that could just be speculation.

The hearings won't help the election, it'll be long-forgotten by then, but they're designed to give you a warm fuzzy feeling right now.
I don't think union influence has much to do with it, either, because A) there's little difference between union influence and corporate influence (everybody's money is green, on both sides), and B) if the right thought this wasn't going to be beneficial to them, the Party of No simply wouldn't show up. And most of these Jap cars are made right here in the US, so crushing them would cost lots and lots of American jobs. Right now, every politician in America, from the Prez to the local dogcatcher, cannot afford to even give the appearance that they're letting people lose their jobs.--->JMS

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:31 pm

songsmith wrote:
f.sciarrillo wrote:The hearing still aren't going to help the election. The Americans already decided who they are throwing out and who they are keeping.

I think of the biggest reasons why they threw Toyota under the bus is because their unions didn't spend billions in campaign contributions. OF course it could also be because the company isn't American, then of course that could just be speculation.
The hearings won't help the election, it'll be long-forgotten by then, but they're designed to give you a warm fuzzy feeling right now.
I don't think union influence has much to do with it, either, because A) there's little difference between union influence and corporate influence (everybody's money is green, on both sides), and B) if the right thought this wasn't going to be beneficial to them, the Party of No simply wouldn't show up. And most of these Jap cars are made right here in the US, so crushing them would cost lots and lots of American jobs. Right now, every politician in America, from the Prez to the local dogcatcher, cannot afford to even give the appearance that they're letting people lose their jobs.--->JMS

Very good points. And it is too late to hide the appearance that Americans are losing jobs ..

cucuplex96 · Post by **cucuplex96** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:51 pm

Im glad we bailed out GM and thru toyota under the bus.. it makes perfect sense.. GM is an american company.. toyota is not..

I think that it makes sense to help GM.. maybe its once tiny step backwards towards the day when "Made in the U.S.A." meant something.

We are too saturated by foreign business.. lets get the U.S. of f*ckin A.
back on top.. I think is what the mindset is here.. there is much more to it than we know or are told thats for sure

UNEARTHA7XMatt · Post by **UNEARTHA7XMatt** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:51 pm

This is like Rain on your Wedding Day!

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Fri Feb 26, 2010 8:23 pm

I love rain. Rain is a beautiful thing. It is a relaxing thing ..

Naga · Post by **Naga** » Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:37 pm

You know,... I don't mean to sound like the rest of the "head up my ass"-minded here. But, I do agree on something major, and I'll detail it here shortly...

We did help GM, we haven't (yet?) helped Toyota. GM being an American company and Toyota based out of Japan, that's all fine and well. This, as mentioned, does impact Americans too, as there are many Americans with jobs in Toyota's US factories and car lots. That part certainly doesn't help. However...

We gave a company who was hard on its luck money. GM was falling under. At this point, not only are they starting to ballast themselves, but they're also holding true on their promise with paying back the gov't. And a month or so ahead of time, no less. That to me is what helping your neighbors out is all about... They're our neighbors, our people, and our workers working our jobs. Help them make it. Bring them up to where they can. They're now repaying the gov't, which suggests we didn't make a mistake on that part. They fell victim to a big fall-under financially as all of you, and myself did. It'd only be right if you lost your job that you were able to get unemployment to help out, right?

Toyota, for what I've seen, is sort of slapping their customers in the face. They're having big issues, which I'd generally be inclined to help, but here's the big issue... Are they helping the people who stood by them and bought their vehicles? Are they showing a true remorse for their inabilities? How are they helping us help them? If they don't care that their own cars are breaking down, why should we care?

I've seen many of my friends fall into bad times, and I've helped them out. I've also helped out a couple people outside my lines of friends. One specific time, the guy I helped out has made it more than apparent that he was NEVER going to give back, or show a true thanks even! And the way I look at him is like this... I don't care about the money I lost. However, there's no level of trust to ever want to give to him again

Basically,... Don't just slap those people who are good to you in the face

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