Reagan 489, Carter 49?

[f.sciarrillo]

I was doing some google searching as I was seeking the comparisons of Carter and Obama (The reason I did this was because of some conservative talk people calling him the next Carter - even call him Jimmy. There were some articles I found that stated Carters annoyance with being compared to Obama). While doing the research, I saw that Carter lost his re-election with only getting 49 electoral votes (only winning six states)? I knew he lost, but I didn't know it was that bad.

This brings me to a thought: If we get a good conservative candidate for 2012. Would there be a possibility that Obama could lose by more? I mean look at Carter's term then look at Obama's term, so far; they are almost identical as for popularity and policies. I guess time will only tell.

[witchhunt]

That is sooooooooo interesting.
P.S.
Thanks for the DVD. You are truly a man of your word, Mr. Conservative.

[tornandfrayed]

Yeah, cool.

[DrumAndDestroy]

keep an eye on it and let us know what happens, ok?

[f.sciarrillo]

I don't really care either way. Nothing is going to change. So why even bother any more? We all know that it is just a waste of time, as they all lie and couldn't lead a horse to water ..

[Dark Soul]

I don't really care either way. Nothing is going to change. So why even bother any more? We all know that it is just a waste of time, as they all lie and couldn't lead a horse to water ..

...and yet, people on this forum argue CONSTANTLY about politics. There's more talk about politics on here than there is about music, and the talk that does go on is largely pointless because no one really listens to anyone else. They mainly try to prove themselves to be right. So...if politicians, left and right, lie shamelessly and do everything they can to keep people from knowing what's really going on, how can anyone possibly claim to know what's really going on?

I'm not trying to insult anyone here. I respect anyone who firmly stands up for what they truly believe in whether I agree with them or not, but SERIOUSLY folks...can we shut the fuck up about politics and remember the reason this forum was created in the first place?

There are more political forums on the web than there are stars in the sky. Turn on the TV and half the news is about politics. Do we really have to bring it here too?

[DrumAndDestroy]

and the talk that does go on is largely pointless because no one really listens to anyone else. They mainly try to prove themselves to be right.

This.

So...if politicians, left and right, lie shamelessly and do everything they can to keep people from knowing what's really going on, how can anyone possibly claim to know what's really going on?

because the fat pill head with a radio show told them what's going on...that's why!

[Hawk]

I was doing some google searching as I was seeking the comparisons of Carter and Obama (The reason I did this was because of some conservative talk people calling him the next Carter - even call him Jimmy. There were some articles I found that stated Carters annoyance with being compared to Obama). While doing the research, I saw that Carter lost his re-election with only getting 49 electoral votes (only winning six states)? I knew he lost, but I didn't know it was that bad.

This brings me to a thought: If we get a good conservative candidate for 2012. Would there be a possibility that Obama could lose by more? I mean look at Carter's term then look at Obama's term, so far; they are almost identical as for popularity and policies. I guess time will only tell.

PLEASE tell me why you think Reagan is a conservative ? He cut taxes to everyone. THEN created tax reform which was the biggest tax increase to the middle class. He GREATLY increased the deficit because he spent more than any president before him and yet cut taxes to the rich.

Cutting taxes to the rich was called the "trickle down theory". It very effectively creating a situation where the rich could invest their money, and they did, in China and Mexico.

The size of the government also increased more under Reagan than any other president before him. Not to mention HIS Iran Contra dibache.

He also admitted to allowing his wife's astrologer to help him make decisions.

The Soviet Union economy happen to collapse while
Reagan was in office and the Republicans will tell you Reagan gets the credit.

Yeah, just what we need, some other idiot like Reagan, Bush and W to cut taxes and increase spending, as EACH of their administrations did.

DO MORE RESERARCH FRANK.

[nakedtwister]

Hi, my name is Hawk and I am a politiholic. I just can't seem to refrain from replying to political posts on a music forum. I was enjoying a brief sobriety from posting, but I just couldn't restrain myself from defending posts that other politiholics subject music oriented people too. I am currently seeking entrance into the Gerald Ford Clinic for the Politically Challenged and will be accepting donations in pesos to fund this venture. Or we could have a Blues benefit with Bill Clinton and the Kum Stains Orchestra headlining. Lots of energy and Lazers. Sorry Bill, I am really bored in the Valley. Love ya Bro.




B

[Hawk]

Hi, my name is Hawk and I am a politiholic. I just can't seem to refrain from replying to political posts on a music forum. I was enjoying a brief sobriety from posting, but I just couldn't restrain myself from defending posts that other politiholics subject music oriented people too. I am currently seeking entrance into the Gerald Ford Clinic for the Politically Challenged and will be accepting donations in pesos to fund this venture. Or we could have a Blues benefit with Bill Clinton and the Kum Stains Orchestra headlining. Lots of energy and Lazers. Sorry Bill, I am really bored in the Valley. Love ya Bro.




B

Hey B, you're the only one (besides me ) that makes any sence in this thread.

[f.sciarrillo]

I was doing some google searching as I was seeking the comparisons of Carter and Obama (The reason I did this was because of some conservative talk people calling him the next Carter - even call him Jimmy. There were some articles I found that stated Carters annoyance with being compared to Obama). While doing the research, I saw that Carter lost his re-election with only getting 49 electoral votes (only winning six states)? I knew he lost, but I didn't know it was that bad.

This brings me to a thought: If we get a good conservative candidate for 2012. Would there be a possibility that Obama could lose by more? I mean look at Carter's term then look at Obama's term, so far; they are almost identical as for popularity and policies. I guess time will only tell.

PLEASE tell me why you think Reagan is a conservative ? He cut taxes to everyone. THEN created tax reform which was the biggest tax increase to the middle class. He GREATLY increased the deficit because he spent more than any president before him and yet cut taxes to the rich.

Cutting taxes to the rich was called the "trickle down theory". It very effectively creating a situation where the rich could invest their money, and they did, in China and Mexico.

The size of the government also increased more under Reagan than any other president before him. Not to mention HIS Iran Contra dibache.

He also admitted to allowing his wife's astrologer to help him make decisions.

The Soviet Union economy happen to collapse while
Reagan was in office and the Republicans will tell you Reagan gets the credit.

Yeah, just what we need, some other idiot like Reagan, Bush and W to cut taxes and increase spending, as EACH of their administrations did.

DO MORE RESERARCH FRANK.

I forgot that you voted for Carter

[Hawk]

I was doing some google searching as I was seeking the comparisons of Carter and Obama (The reason I did this was because of some conservative talk people calling him the next Carter - even call him Jimmy. There were some articles I found that stated Carters annoyance with being compared to Obama). While doing the research, I saw that Carter lost his re-election with only getting 49 electoral votes (only winning six states)? I knew he lost, but I didn't know it was that bad.

This brings me to a thought: If we get a good conservative candidate for 2012. Would there be a possibility that Obama could lose by more? I mean look at Carter's term then look at Obama's term, so far; they are almost identical as for popularity and policies. I guess time will only tell.

PLEASE tell me why you think Reagan is a conservative ? He cut taxes to everyone. THEN created tax reform which was the biggest tax increase to the middle class. He GREATLY increased the deficit because he spent more than any president before him and yet cut taxes to the rich.

Cutting taxes to the rich was called the "trickle down theory". It very effectively creating a situation where the rich could invest their money, and they did, in China and Mexico.

The size of the government also increased more under Reagan than any other president before him. Not to mention HIS Iran Contra dibache.

He also admitted to allowing his wife's astrologer to help him make decisions.

The Soviet Union economy happen to collapse while
Reagan was in office and the Republicans will tell you Reagan gets the credit.

Yeah, just what we need, some other idiot like Reagan, Bush and W to cut taxes and increase spending, as EACH of their administrations did.

DO MORE RESERARCH FRANK.

I forgot that you voted for Carter

What does Carter have to do with my post ? I just told you what Reagan did while he was president. Afraid of the truth ? Fox propaganda fool you...again ?

As the local representative of Fox watchers, you really scare me. If you didn't hear it on Fox, it ain't true.

You've been taught NOT to believe ANYTHING unless you hear it from Fox, Limbaugh because they care about the common man. The fact is, you don't recognise the propaganda.

There ARE other places to do research besides right wing propaganda and there are places to get the truth. Fax just has you convinced that anything you don't get from them is a lie.

You claim you are an independent thinker. You are independent politically. That is such a joke in that you will never vote for a Democrat. Independents might vote either way. You will vote based on what you learn from Fox.

Noe tell me. When presented with facts about Reagan, why the attempted diversionary comment ? You don't believe it ? Or you are afraid of the truth ? RESEARCH on your own for a change.

[f.sciarrillo]

PLEASE tell me why you think Reagan is a conservative ? He cut taxes to everyone. THEN created tax reform which was the biggest tax increase to the middle class. He GREATLY increased the deficit because he spent more than any president before him and yet cut taxes to the rich.

Cutting taxes to the rich was called the "trickle down theory". It very effectively creating a situation where the rich could invest their money, and they did, in China and Mexico.

The size of the government also increased more under Reagan than any other president before him. Not to mention HIS Iran Contra dibache.

He also admitted to allowing his wife's astrologer to help him make decisions.

The Soviet Union economy happen to collapse while
Reagan was in office and the Republicans will tell you Reagan gets the credit.

Yeah, just what we need, some other idiot like Reagan, Bush and W to cut taxes and increase spending, as EACH of their administrations did.

DO MORE RESERARCH FRANK.

I forgot that you voted for Carter

What does Carter have to do with my post ? I just told you what Reagan did while he was president. Afraid of the truth ? Fox propaganda fool you...again ?

As the local representative of Fox watchers, you really scare me. If you didn't hear it on Fox, it ain't true.

You've been taught NOT to believe ANYTHING unless you hear it from Fox, Limbaugh because they care about the common man. The fact is, you don't recognise the propaganda.

There ARE other places to do research besides right wing propaganda and there are places to get the truth. Fax just has you convinced that anything you don't get from them is a lie.

You claim you are an independent thinker. You are independent politically. That is such a joke in that you will never vote for a Democrat. Independents might vote either way. You will vote based on what you learn from Fox.

Noe tell me. When presented with facts about Reagan, why the attempted diversionary comment ? You don't believe it ? Or you are afraid of the truth ? RESEARCH on your own for a change.

You basically have the same rant with Reagan as you did with Bush, and you worshiped Clinton like you do Obama. So it is only commonsense that rant you had against Reagan shows that you voted for Carter.

And for your information: I didn't get the info I found at the onset of this from Fox News - I got it from MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, and a google search. And yes, I know, you feel that any info that is gotten from anywhere but Fox is good information.

[lonewolf]

I forgot that you voted for Carter

What does Carter have to do with my post ? I just told you what Reagan did while he was president. Afraid of the truth ? Fox propaganda fool you...again ?

As the local representative of Fox watchers, you really scare me. If you didn't hear it on Fox, it ain't true.

You've been taught NOT to believe ANYTHING unless you hear it from Fox, Limbaugh because they care about the common man. The fact is, you don't recognise the propaganda.

There ARE other places to do research besides right wing propaganda and there are places to get the truth. Fax just has you convinced that anything you don't get from them is a lie.

You claim you are an independent thinker. You are independent politically. That is such a joke in that you will never vote for a Democrat. Independents might vote either way. You will vote based on what you learn from Fox.

Noe tell me. When presented with facts about Reagan, why the attempted diversionary comment ? You don't believe it ? Or you are afraid of the truth ? RESEARCH on your own for a change.

You basically have the same rant with Reagan as you did with Bush, and you worshiped Clinton like you do Obama. So it is only commonsense that rant you had against Reagan shows that you voted for Carter.

And for your information: I didn't get the info I found at the onset of this from Fox News - I got it from MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, and a google search. And yes, I know, you feel that any info that is gotten from anywhere but Fox is good information.

You guys really need to start editing quotes.

[Hawk]

I voted for Reagan the first time.

Let me make this simple Frank. Try some research and prove me wrong in my assessment of Reagan in each instance I gave you. If you cannot prove me wrong...

Bear in mind how many times I have proved you to wrong.

Take your best shot.

[Banned]

Here is the only person making any sense in Washington these days:

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/132942#comments

[bassist_25]

What does Carter have to do with my post ? I just told you what Reagan did while he was president. Afraid of the truth ? Fox propaganda fool you...again ?

As the local representative of Fox watchers, you really scare me. If you didn't hear it on Fox, it ain't true.

You've been taught NOT to believe ANYTHING unless you hear it from Fox, Limbaugh because they care about the common man. The fact is, you don't recognise the propaganda.

There ARE other places to do research besides right wing propaganda and there are places to get the truth. Fax just has you convinced that anything you don't get from them is a lie.

You claim you are an independent thinker. You are independent politically. That is such a joke in that you will never vote for a Democrat. Independents might vote either way. You will vote based on what you learn from Fox.

Noe tell me. When presented with facts about Reagan, why the attempted diversionary comment ? You don't believe it ? Or you are afraid of the truth ? RESEARCH on your own for a change.

You basically have the same rant with Reagan as you did with Bush, and you worshiped Clinton like you do Obama. So it is only commonsense that rant you had against Reagan shows that you voted for Carter.

And for your information: I didn't get the info I found at the onset of this from Fox News - I got it from MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, and a google search. And yes, I know, you feel that any info that is gotten from anywhere but Fox is good information.

You guys really need to start editing quotes.

I agree.

[f.sciarrillo]

Here is the only person making any sense in Washington these days:

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/132942#comments

I hope he runs again. He would beat Barry

[Hawk]

Frank,

Would you vote for a man who wants all drugs legalized ? A man who wants to shut down the war on drugs ?

Would you vote for a man who does not believe in banning gay marriage ? A man who believes gays should be free to to marry ?

Would you vote for a man who would bring home ALL American military, leaving absoutely no American soldier on ANY foreign soil ? Allowing Anti - Americanism to fester without even a soldier in a neighboring country left to react ?


Would you vote for a man who personally thinks abortion is murder but believes the Federal Government should NOT be involved ? A man who believes abortion is a states issue and if 20 states make abortion legal he would recognise that above his own beliefs ? Essentially creating states where people could go any time they wanted an abortion.

These things are on Ron Paul's agenda Frank. Are they on yours ?

[f.sciarrillo]

Frank,

Would you vote for a man who wants all drugs legalized ? A man who wants to shut down the war on drugs ?

Would you vote for a man who does not believe in banning gay marriage ? A man who believes gays should be free to to marry ?

Would you vote for a man who would bring home ALL American military, leaving absoutely no American soldier on ANY foreign soil ? Allowing Anti - Americanism to fester without even a soldier in a neighboring country left to react ?


Would you vote for a man who personally thinks abortion is murder but believes the Federal Government should NOT be involved ? A man who believes abortion is a states issue and if 20 states make abortion legal he would recognise that above his own beliefs ? Essentially creating states where people could go any time they wanted an abortion.

These things are on Ron Paul's agenda Frank. Are they on yours ?

I didn't say I would vote for him, I just said that he would beat obama. Than, a donkey could beat obama at this point. So that isn't really saying much.

[Banned]

Frank,

Would you vote for a man who wants all drugs legalized ? A man who wants to shut down the war on drugs ?

Would you vote for a man who does not believe in banning gay marriage ? A man who believes gays should be free to to marry ?

Would you vote for a man who would bring home ALL American military, leaving absoutely no American soldier on ANY foreign soil ? Allowing Anti - Americanism to fester without even a soldier in a neighboring country left to react ?


Would you vote for a man who personally thinks abortion is murder but believes the Federal Government should NOT be involved ? A man who believes abortion is a states issue and if 20 states make abortion legal he would recognise that above his own beliefs ? Essentially creating states where people could go any time they wanted an abortion.

These things are on Ron Paul's agenda Frank. Are they on yours ?

Well I would vote for him Bill. And I did. All of those positions are Constitutional.

[Hawk]

Well I would vote for him Bill. And I did. All of those positions are Constitutional.

I know you would Joe. You are always consistent. I was wondering what Frank's vote would be.

[Hawk]

I voted for Reagan the first time.

Let me make this simple Frank. Try some research and prove me wrong in my assessment of Reagan in each instance I gave you. If you cannot prove me wrong...

Bear in mind how many times I have proved you to be wrong.

Take your best shot.

Frank ?

[Hawk]

I didn't say I would vote for him, I just said that he would beat obama. Than, a donkey could beat obama at this point. So that isn't really saying much.

Given his ideology, why do you hope he wins ?

"I hope he runs." He would beat Obama. So you are saying you would like someone to be president who you wouldn't vote for ?

[f.sciarrillo]

If it was him and Obama, I would vote for Ron Paul. Mostly because some of, maybe not all of, he says I agree with. If we would have someone who thought the same as I did along with them, then I would vote for that person. As it stands right now, there hasn't been that person ... So we will have to wait and see what happens. Either way you look at it though, Paul might be on the ballad box but he won't be one the last two standing.