Kiss denied again.

mjb · Post by **mjb** » Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:21 pm

http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/stopth ... e-kiss-for

Jo money pig · Post by **Jo money pig** » Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:35 pm

What the hell

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:43 pm

Who they putting in this year? Justin Beiber? They probably will. The people who run that know absolutely nothing about music ...

RFBuck · Post by **RFBuck** » Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:45 pm

Aw c'mon, that's a friggin' joke!! LL Cool J and not KISS?????

Someone needs to fill out an ID10T form.....

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:47 pm

I bet Rush is snubbed again as well.

The Beastie Boys are getting in. Oh Boy, I will have to watch it this year.. What a joke. They passed Neil Diamond and Alice Cooper up this year as well!! Niel Diamond was the staple of hundreds of artists careers, he should have been one of the first to get in... Sheesh they are a joke ..

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:55 pm

Here are the bands on the ballot:

Beastie Boys, Neil Diamond, Alice Cooper, Bon Jovi, Donovan, Tom Waits, LL Cool J, Dr. John, the J. Geils Band, Darlene Love, Laura Nyro, Donna Summer, Joe Tex, and Chuck Willis

Neil Diamond, Joe Tex, LL Cool J, Darlene Love, Laura Nyro, Chuck Willis and Disco Queen Donna Summer?????? I like Donovan, Tom Waits and Dr. John, but they are not Rock and Roll, IMO.

Must have a lot of LSD in Cleveland's drinking water.

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:01 pm

undercoverjoe wrote:Here are the bands on the ballot:

Beastie Boys, Neil Diamond, Alice Cooper, Bon Jovi, Donovan, Tom Waits, LL Cool J, Dr. John, the J. Geils Band, Darlene Love, Laura Nyro, Donna Summer, Joe Tex, and Chuck Willis

Neil Diamond, Joe Tex, LL Cool J, Darlene Love, Laura Nyro, Chuck Willis and Disco Queen Donna Summer?????? I like Donovan, Tom Waits and Dr. John, but they are not Rock and Roll, IMO.

Must have a lot of LSD in Cleveland's drinking water.

Well looking at how trashy the city is, I don't think the water would be very pure. That place is a cesspool. It ranks up there with Buffalo and Detroit as being one of the dirtiest cities in America

moxham123 · Post by **moxham123** » Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:08 pm

The Beastie Boys & LL Cool J (WHAAAAAAT?)

I can definitely see Neil Diamond, Alice Cooper, Laura Nyro, Dr. John, and J. Geils Band (all of them about time) and even Donovan, Bon Jovi, and Tom Waits.

However, where is Rush, Deep Purple, The Moody Blues, Chicago, Jethro Tull, Kansas, The Guess Who, Emerson, Lake, & Palmer, Electric Light Orchestra, Hall & Oates, Blood, Sweat, & Tears, Grand Funk Railroad, Steve Miller Band, Paul Revere & The Raiders, Tommy James & The Shondells, Three Dog Night, Steppenwolf, Toto, Foriegner, Journey, Styx, and Kiss, just to name a few.

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:12 pm

moxham123 wrote:The Beastie Boys & LL Cool J (WHAAAAAAT?)

I can definitely see Neil Diamond, Alice Cooper, Laura Nyro, Dr. John, and J. Geils Band (all of them about time) and even Donovan, Bon Jovi, and Tom Waits.

However, where is Rush, Deep Purple, The Moody Blues, Chicago, Jethro Tull, Blood, Sweat, & Tears, Grand Funk Railroad, Steve Miller Band, and Kiss, just to name a few.

You forgot Journey, Bad Company, Boston, etc etc etc etc etc ...

Was Foreigner inducted yet?

moxham123 · Post by **moxham123** » Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:21 pm

f.sciarrillo wrote:
moxham123 wrote:The Beastie Boys & LL Cool J (WHAAAAAAT?)

I can definitely see Neil Diamond, Alice Cooper, Laura Nyro, Dr. John, and J. Geils Band (all of them about time) and even Donovan, Bon Jovi, and Tom Waits.

However, where is Rush, Deep Purple, The Moody Blues, Chicago, Jethro Tull, Blood, Sweat, & Tears, Grand Funk Railroad, Steve Miller Band, and Kiss, just to name a few.
You forgot Journey, Bad Company, Boston, etc etc etc etc etc ...

Was Foreigner inducted yet?

Yeah, I hit send before I added some more went back and Bad Company and Boston should be there too.

Naga · Post by **Naga** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:03 am

I'm sitting here, scratching my head, and wondering, "Who the fuck is...", and you can end that sentence with half the names listed. Alice Cooper, Neil Diamond, J. Geils Band, and even Bon Jovi I recognize as rock. But the Beastie Boys, LL Cool J, Donna Summer??? Can somebody PLEEEAAASE tell me what part of ROCK any of them are??? WTF, seriously! But yet they can't nominate all these other bands, aforementioned and beyond, that have changed the face of rock ETERNALLY???

I honestly think they should just change the name of the whole thing to "Music Hall Of Fame." And even then, they're still missing so many points that all these other bands and artists could come before HALF that list!

ToonaRockGuy · Post by **ToonaRockGuy** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 1:10 pm

The "Hall of Fame" has been an irrelevant joke for years. Real musicians know who the best bands are.

joltinjeff · Post by **joltinjeff** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 1:23 pm

Naga wrote:I'm sitting here, scratching my head, and wondering, "Who the fuck is...", and you can end that sentence with half the names listed. Alice Cooper, Neil Diamond, J. Geils Band, and even Bon Jovi I recognize as rock. But the Beastie Boys, LL Cool J, Donna Summer??? Can somebody PLEEEAAASE tell me what part of ROCK any of them are??? WTF, seriously! But yet they can't nominate all these other bands, aforementioned and beyond, that have changed the face of rock ETERNALLY???

I honestly think they should just change the name of the whole thing to "Music Hall Of Fame." And even then, they're still missing so many points that all these other bands and artists could come before HALF that list!

If this would be a regular run of the mill music hall of fame, i could understand some of the stupid ass ppl and groups they have put in...however this is the ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME!!!!! not the pop music hall of stupid asses~!!!!!!

How the hell can some of these bands already get in and a band like KISS, Boston and the many others that have been named in this thread NOT be inducted.
In my opinion, there should be a boycot of the ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME by any and all rock bands/artists who have been ignored by a group of ppl who have no FUCKING IDEA WHAT ROCK AND ROLL REALLY IS!!!
Lets all send emails, hate mail and anything else we can to tell those idiots that they have lost sight of what rock and roll really is!!!!!

BOYCOTT THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME/SHAME~~~!!!!!!

floodcitybrass · Post by **floodcitybrass** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:45 pm

Musically I think kiss is terrible. However, I can't deny that they sold tons of albums and their antics make them one of a kind.

Thus, I would like to endorse that they be nominated into this hall of fame:
http://www.theclownmuseum.com/

joltinjeff · Post by **joltinjeff** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:59 pm

floodcitybrass wrote:Musically I think kiss is terrible. However, I can't deny that they sold tons of albums and their antics make them one of a kind.

Thus, I would like to endorse that they be nominated into this hall of fame:
http://www.theclownmuseum.com/

Brass, you are entitled to your opinion and thats cool and im not here to pick a fight, but lets look at some facts...some of the assholes already in the hall of fame didnt write their own music or play an instrument .... they used tape machines of their songs and at times lip-synced....especially in that GOLDEN SHOWER AGE OF DISCO~~~~!!!!!

Granted KISS is not the best around musically and they are very theatrical....but they have never cheesed out on their music (wtih maybe the exception of Dynasty or The Elder)....they have stayed true to their form and what pisses everyone off is the marketing schemes that Gene has come up with so NO one forgets who the band is...

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:53 pm

joltinjeff wrote:

Brass, you are entitled to your opinion and thats cool and im not here to pick a fight, but lets look at some facts...some of the assholes already in the hall of fame didnt write their own music or play an instrument .... they used tape machines of their songs and at times lip-synced....especially in that GOLDEN SHOWER AGE OF DISCO~~~~!!!!!

I'm not trying to split hairs over semantics, but some of the parts on Kiss albums were actually recorded by uncreditted ghost musicians, especially during the time period when Ace and Peter were too strung out to show up to the studio and record their own parts. If I recall correctly, some of Gene's bass parts were actually recorded by other people too.

Merge · Post by **Merge** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 12:49 am

I think the people that determine the nominees and inductees dislike Kiss because of Gene's insistence on putting "KISS" on anything and everything. He has more money than he can spend, but there are some that disagree with his marketing style. Maybe "artistic integrity" is part of the criteria.

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 1:10 am

Merge wrote:I think the people that determine the nominees and inductees dislike Kiss because of Gene's insistence on putting "KISS" on anything and everything. He has more money than he can spend, but there are some that disagree with his marketing style. Maybe "artistic integrity" is part of the criteria.

If you want to talk about marketing. Gene Simmons is a marketing genius ...

Merge · Post by **Merge** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 1:12 am

I agree, he is, but some people dislike his style. I don't know if they'll ever get in. If they get in before Rush, someone should be shot.

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:23 am

Yeah, Rush should have been in years ago ..

Naga · Post by **Naga** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:08 am

Someone should be shot anyway. Since when did LL Cool J mean more to Rock N' Roll than KISS or Rush???

moxham123 · Post by **moxham123** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:28 pm

Just for clarification purposes, here are the eligibility requirements for induction into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame right from their website. These criteria have been modified over the years.

Eligibility

To be eligible for induction as an artist (as a performer, composer, or musician) into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, the artist must have released a record, in the generally accepted sense of that phrase, at least 25 years prior to the year of induction; and have demonstrated unquestionable musical excellence.

We shall consider factors such as an artist's musical influence on other artists, length and depth of career and the body of work, innovation and superiority in style and technique, but musical excellence shall be the essential qualification of induction.

Induction Process

Election of InducteesLeaders in the music industry joined together in 1983 to establish the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation. One of the Foundation’s many functions is to recognize the contributions of those who have had a significant impact on the evolution, development and perpetuation of rock and roll by inducting them into the Hall of Fame.

The Categories

Performers

Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artists’ contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll.

The Foundation’s nominating committee, composed of rock and roll historians, selects nominees each year in the Performer category. Ballots are then sent to an international voting body of more than 500 rock experts. Those performers who receive the highest number of votes - and more than 50 percent of the vote - are inducted. The Foundation generally inducts five to seven performers each year.

Non-Performers

Songwriters, producers, disc jockeys, record executives, journalists and other industry professionals who have had a major influence on the development of rock and roll.

Early Influences

Artists whose music predated rock and roll but had an impact on the evolution of rock and roll and inspired rock’s leading artists.

The special selection committee elects the inductees in the Non-Performer and Early Influences categories.

Side Men

This category was introduced in 2000. It honors those musicians who have spent their careers out of the spotlight, performing as backup musicians for major artists on recording sessions and in concert. Though they often play a key role in the creation of memorable music, the public rarely knows them by name. A separate committee, composed primarily of producers, selects the inductees in this category.

nakedtwister · Post by **nakedtwister** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:44 pm

I have no problem with LL Cool J. In fact I think he is a talented artist and actor. That being said, just change the name to The Rap and Roll Hall of Fame. No Boston, no Bad Co., no Rush, etc.. What a friggin' load of political BS. My opinion, Suck on it.

mjb · Post by **mjb** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:58 pm

yeah, i bet the country music hall of fame isn't kickin around ll cool j and the like, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT COUNTRY!

moxham123 · Post by **moxham123** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:02 pm

Did you know that the Vocal Group Hall of Fame is in Sharon, PA. I bet you won't see any rappers in there either.

http://www.vocalhalloffame.com/