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MeYatch
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weren't they supposed to vote yesterday? Did it pass, was it delayed? teh interwebs aren't telling me. Does anyone know?
I know this belongs in the law section, but I'm hoping to get an answer before it gets sent to the section nobody checks...
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Lisa
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Yes, it has been passed. I was trying to read it to figure out if a outside smoking section may be provided....can't find a mention of that.
Its now up to Rendell and he will pass it because it protects his private clubs and casinos. He gets a lot of support from those areas. |
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Mikey Wax
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| BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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moxham123
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Nothing has passed yet. The only thing they did yesterday was a committee approved the changes to the billl to present to the state house and senate for vote. There are way too many rules in the proposed bill to make it very confusing. One rule is if over 20% of the annual income a bar makes is from food sales, the entire establishment must be 100% smoke free. That will include most bars that have bands. However, private clubs are exempt and that is going to cause lots of problems for other bar owners who see that as favortism toward private clubs. Other states have included all bars and private clubs in their no smoking laws.
Here is more information.
http://yorkdispatch.inyork.com/yd/pennsylvania/ci_9464994
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Lisa
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| That's an old article man...last week's news. It was passed and will be sent to the Gov. for his approval. |
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rreihart
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Yay!  |
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bassist_25
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| rreihart wrote: | | Yay! |
Funny coming from a non-club musician.
They should ban praying in churches. 
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rreihart
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| bassist_25 wrote: | | rreihart wrote: | | Yay! |
Funny coming from a non-club musician.
They should ban praying in churches. |
Yeah yeah, so easy isn't it? You're so righteous, right? You should be able to do anything. I know. I will pray for YOU and people like you.
Actually, their are exceptions for bars and taverns. "A dozen exemptions would ensure that smoking can continue at some bars and taverns, portions of casino floors, private clubs and elsewhere."
And also, I guess what you're saying is I am no longer welcome as a club musician? Not that I want to be, but since you're the righteous one... |
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moxham123
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| Quote: | | They should ban praying in churches. |
The bill was heavily lobbied by casinos, public health advocates and bars and taverns. Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter wanted his city's ordinance to remain in effect. Catholic priests worried that a smoking ban would kill their bingo games. |
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rreihart
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| backlash bass wrote: | | bassist_25 wrote: | | rreihart wrote: | | Yay! |
Funny coming from a non-club musician.
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I thought the same thing. For we who make part of our living playing in the bars/clubs this could be anything from "One Hell Of A Hurdle" to downright devastating. |
I am so glad that from the beginning, even when I was in bar bands, playing has never been about money. |
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bassist_25
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| rreihart wrote: | | bassist_25 wrote: | | rreihart wrote: | | Yay! |
Funny coming from a non-club musician.
They should ban praying in churches. |
Yeah yeah, so easy isn't it? You're so righteous, right? You should be able to do anything. I know. I will pray for YOU and people like you.
Actually, their are exceptions for bars and taverns. "A dozen exemptions would ensure that smoking can continue at some bars and taverns, portions of casino floors, private clubs and elsewhere."
And also, I guess what you're also saying is I am no longer welcome as a club musician? Not that I want to be, but since you're the righteous one... |
Where did I ever claim I was righteous? I'm just pointing out the economic barricade that is going to make things even more difficult for gigging musicians. Many people smoke in clubs. While I believe that the quality of music will always win out, you'd have to be totally blind to believe that a smoking ban won't adversely affect club attendance. My point is that a smoking ban really doesn't affect you negatively; you don't play in clubs. Many of us do, and with sound ordiances, .08 limits, rising gas prices, and other distractions, this is just another nail in the coffin. Sorry if you don't like the truth from my "righteous" side of the fence.
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Mikey Wax
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| Bastards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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HarleyRo1
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 And that's all I have to say about that
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SkarmaSutraMusic
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When can I smoke SKUNK ????
I CAN GO OUTSIDE MORE OFTEN THEN...A BAN?
NAZIS.
We all should have the freedom.
What about smoking and non-smoking sections at a bar???
Costs too much. Revenue.
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lonewolf
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| nightcrawler_steve wrote: | | Zenos in State College has gone 100% smoke free. |
How long ago was that Steve? How is it going for them? Summer would probably be a good indication of how this ban might affect things. As I recall, Xeno's wasn't really that busy during the summer, but if things pick up this year....ya never know.
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rickw
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Hell, I don't mind playing non-smoking places. Kind of helps the ol' vocal pipes ya know? That way if I choose to damage them myself I can (which is a dumb name thing to do to myself). I can't blame the smoke in the place for a weak vocal night! And believe me, I am looking for excuses  Anyway, I don't think it will deter people from going out. |
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slackin@dabass
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i don't get how a bar that isn't owned by the state has to ban smoking because the state says they have to. what a bunch of malarky. gotta love the u.s.s.a.
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tornandfrayed
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It is the Liberal Left wings nut jobs that want people to stop inhaling poison! Bastards!
I don't smoke and I tend to agree that more people will come out when the smoking ban goes into effect. Especially for a good band. You might lose some of your audience that just happens to be getting shit faced at the bar you are playing at....
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Lisa
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I wouldn't mind the indoor smoking ban if it was fair. It really is discriminating against bars who already has to try to compete with private clubs. The private "non-profit" clubs already have many benefits that makes them a profitable entity such as gambling. They make huge amounts of money off of their small game of chances. We have several vets, several moose clubs, the Cro Club, the Morann Club, and more in our area (within 5 miles of us). These clubs will get our customers who smoke.
If we cut way back on our food sales, we can still have smoking. We can only have 20% of our revenue generated by food sales. And this has to be shown on our sales tax reporting. We can also no longer allow any customers under the age of 18 into the bar.
There is no mention in the current law about banning outdoor smoking areas. The law is classified as an "Indoor Smoking Ban" so we are looking at ways that we can provide a nice place in a non-enclosed area such as our deck.
I'm a non-smoker and when I first heard of a smoking ban in Pennsylvania, I welcomed the law. However, as a small business owner, this current law will hurt our business because its not the same law for everyone across the board. We can only hope that we can continue to build loyalty in our current smoking customers while gaining those who would not come out because of the smoke.
This what happens folks when you let government make decisions for you and run our lives. We have too much influence in our lives by the current system. We need to go back to the days of Reagan and allow the people to think for themselves. We need to have faith that individuals will make the right decisions.
Small businesses were hurt bad with the min. wage increases. Bars, taverns and restaurants will be hurt by the discrimination of this law too. Its time that big brother takes a step back and allow the people to decide what is good for them.
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bassist4life2004
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What next, are they going to ban shitting in public restrooms because fecal coliforms might make their way to someones hands or mouth? This is fucking silly. If a bar says "Hey, you can smoke in here!" Who's to tell them no. Bar owners didn't purchase these businesses just so they could have their rights stripped away. You don't like that i'm smoking in a bar, go to the City Hotel, they are non smoking. You should know the consequences of your actions, and know that people will be smoking where you are going. The final decision of going there is yours, and no one elses. No one is holding you at gunpoint and saying "YOU MUST GO TO THIS BAR!!!!". Fucking retards run this world, i swear.
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ToonaRockGuy
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again: This law is completely, wholly, totally, and utterly retarded for one simple reason:
There's never been a law that says that a club owner (Dave at Zenos, for instance) can't make their club non-smoking.
Dumbasses.
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What I don't get is what gives them the right to say who can and who can't smoke ( well over 18 of course) but referring to in bars n such...
If a bar owner says, I want smoking.... They decide, its not up to the owner, its up to them, and no one else has any say in it what-so-ever.
What was those things called again? umm Im sure I can remember what they are... Ohhh Yeah now I remember "Amendments". Whatever happen to those? Do they still exist?
Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances
So if we have that freedom of speech, why is it that a bar owner cant say "I want smoking in my bar".
Its their right to have smoking in their bar if they want to. Some bars that serve food, have it split.. No smoking in the dining area... but you can smoke at the bar area.... and some have certain hours set no smoking from this time to this time, but fill free to smoke after this time.. ( usually later in the evening after dinner hours.. when its party time)
The way this government is going these days... no one has a say or choice in anything thats being said or done.
Its more or less - do it or lose it... everyone "use" to say goto the USA its the greatest country you could ever live in...
It might have been back in 1805.... But its not anymore - no choices, no freedom, no nothing...
I wouldnt doubt it if they make smoking illegal, cant smoke in your house, in your car, in someone else's car... people will be going down into the sewers to smoke lol ( well maybe not, but who knows)
Its a really ridiculous law... Sure kids under 18 no smoking.... no drinking under 21... Those are reasonable laws, and are agreeable with...
But no smoking in bars? Half the people in congress/government(etc) smoke when they drink their $5,000 bottle of wine...
Its just getting to the point where all of our "supposedly" freedom we have, its getting stripped from us everyday, to where we wont be able to fart with out paying some kind of fine or going to jail for it.
Posted June 10, 2008 - 6:05pm
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2008/06/smoking-ban-cle.html
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