[byndrsn]

Okay folks, this poll (and the other nine like it) are being done because of a political discussion that is being held in the General Discussion section of RockPage.

Let us know your stance!!!

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[bassist_25]

Against

Though I technically don't care. I'm not an athiest, but if I were, I'd have better issues to spend my time on than if children are saying "Under God..."

But on a philosophical stand, I think that it shoudn't be in there. I believe in as much of a secular government as possible.
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[bfoust]

For. Screw the one guy in Cali who wanted it taken out. Here's a suggestion, Cover your ears.

[ToonaRockGuy]

Against.

Seperation of Church and State, period. The Church should have no say in politics, and the State should have no say in Church issues.

And just for the record, I am for taking the Ten Commandments out of courthouses. People use the bullsh*t argument that the Ten Commandments are the basis of law.

I submit to you (source: The Bible, Deuteronomy 5:6-5:21 NRSV):
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1. I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; you shall have no other gods before me.

2. You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.

3. Observe the sabbath day and keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you. Six days you shall labor and do all your work. But the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God; you shall not do any work...

4. Honor your father and your mother, as the LORD your God commanded you, so that your days may be long and that it may go well with you in the land that the LORD your God is giving you.

5. You shall not murder.

6. Neither shall you commit adultery.

7. Neither shall you steal.

8. Neither shall you bear false witness against your neighbor.

9. Neither shall you covet your neighbor's wife.

10. Neither shall you desire your neighbor's house, or field, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.
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There are the 10 Commandments. Can someone please explain to me, that if the above is the basis for LAW, what the HELL #1, 2, 3, 4, 9, and 10 have to do with law in the least?

I rest my case.
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[AtoMikEnRtiA]

[SpellboundByMetal]

why change it NOW? everyone just wants to be catered to.
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[SuffrInLys]

for keeping it in

that is why and how this country was founded.. if you don't like your heritage move to a different country..

[AtoMikEnRtiA]

[ToonaRockGuy]

AtoMikEnRtiA is right, to a point. My long held belief is this:

"I make no bones about being 100% Hispanic. I've taken more shit over my race than most anyone here on Rockpage. I've had ignorant people tell me to get the fuck out and go back to my country. To which I respond with this...

I may be Hispanic. To you, I may be a beaner/wetback/spic/insert your generic Latino stereotype here. But you know what? At least MY people didn't come here and kill, rape, plunder, and pillage. At least my race didn't commit a genocide ONLY surpassed by the Nazi Regime in WW2.

I'll go back to my sun-kissed tropical island to sit on the beach drinking good Puerto Rican rum all day long, as long as you take your ass back to your cold, frozen, Slavic country and give America back to who it belongs to: The Native American."

Make no mistake, however. This country was not founded on religious freedom, that is a pretense. This country was founded on the nearly complete extermination of a race of people, simply because they had different beliefs than were held by the immigrants from Europe.

Think about it.

Oh, and if you're bitching about illegal immigration...think about it. You're technically an illegal immigrant too.
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Dood...

[SpellboundByMetal]

WOW, you guys are really freaking out about this, huh???




but anyway to respond to you last comment..
YEAH and i am one who is bitching about illegals!!!!!

when MOST illegals plan to come here for only a couple years to get money saved to go back to wherethefuckever and be "RICH", thats where i have a problem.

when they work and pay no taxes, i have a problem with that. HOW can they want rights in a country they DONT pay taxes in that they entered ILLEGALLY??????

The pile into houses & apartments....oh wait AND into cars!!!. which is not only a fire hazard/unsafe, but its unhealthy AND ILLEGAL!!!

now i am only speaking about the experiances ive had where i have lived for most of my life in frederick,md.
there is a process to enter this country....they should do that if they want to come here. LEARNING ENGLISH SHOULD BE A PART OF THAT PROCESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[Punkinhead]

[AtoMikEnRtiA]

[Hawk]

This country was founded and created based on Judeo Christian principals. Those principals served / serve us well. If you don't like them..........leave. Russia has separation of church and state. Try living there.

We do not and should not have separation of church and state. Our Constitution doesn't say anything about separation of church and state ! Never did ! It says there should be no state church, leaving everyone to chose their own church.


Just a question. Why are non believers afraid of the mention of God ?
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[byndrsn]

[bassist_25]

[BDR]

[VENTGtr]

The "God" line was put in their because of fear. I believe in the separation of church and state and that everyone has the right to believe in "God", beans, etc. however they choose
and if "God" is going to be mentioned they better mention them all then at the very end
discount them all.

For anyone who says "This is a Christian country" better define whether or not they're okay
with a Catholic or Protestant ideal being pushed because they are pretty far apart themselves and I don't think Protestant parents are going to want their kids being given
Catholic values that go against Protestant values, or vice versa.
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DaveP.

"You must be this beautiful to ride the Quagmire."

[bassist_25]

Good points, Dave. The first settlers were very much protestant. If you weren't a WASP, then forget it. The Irish and Italians dealt with immense discrimination because they were Catholic. The "This Country was founded on Those Priniples" arguments don't work with me either. The country was also founded on the invasion, massacre, forced assimilation, and then eventual forced migration of an indigenous people, so I assume that it's alright to go beat a Native America on the head with a rock. I mean it is tradition, is it not? BTW, I'm part Indian...and I blame that on why my sideburns won't grow in thick enough for me to have a full beard.
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[VENTGtr]

"I'm part Indian...and I blame that on why my sideburns won't grow in thick enough for me to have a full beard."

That's hysterical. Tell ya, when muttonchops make a comeback, you're be hatin' the ancestors!
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DaveP.

"You must be this beautiful to ride the Quagmire."

[bassist_25]

I thank my lucky stars every day that I'm not Amish. I'd be ostracized for the rest of my life. LOL
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[whitedevilone]

[Merge]

Someone please point out where in the Constitution it says "Separation of Church and State". You won't find it, because it's not in there.
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[songsmith]

Look under the First Amendment. It says Congress shall establish no state religion. Note that it doesn't say "no state religion other than Christianity." No state religion means no religion. England had a state religion (Church of England). People came here to get away from that.
Oh, and the original line was, "...under a God" but that was zealously changed. The whole issue is a tempest-in-a-teacup, a bait-and-switch for the Religious Right, to keep their minds off the massive drubbing we're taking in the world at large.
I think it's both sad and hilarious how people are offended by my secular views. Like I threaten them by just being me.
"I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose Freewill."---->JMS

[Merge]

I know what the Constitution states, I asked someone to point out where the phrase "Separation of Church and State" is located. Lots of people like to throw that phrase around, but it's still not in there. It does say that Congress shall not establish a given religion, and I agree, that is why people left England. However, putting up a Nativity Scene isn't establishing a religion. It's celebrating a holiday that we've celebrated for a long, long time.

By the way, I'm not offended by your secular views. You have the right to your opinion, just as I have a right to mine. I see nothing wrong with a nice, zesty debate.
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[songsmith]

Okay, kinda spouted off my religious views, or lack thereof. It wasn't really directed at anyone in particular, and really has little bearing in the subject being debated. Duly noted, and I apologize.---->JMS