I thought the new GNR would suck

Killjingle · Post by **Killjingle** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:20 am

http://www.gunsnroses.com

This song kicks ass.

Dark Soul · Post by **Dark Soul** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:51 am

The song overall and the guitar solo specifically does have nice energy, but otherwise it didn't impress me much. Although the change during the verse "Our baby got to rule the nation but all I got is precious time" was a nice and unexpected tasty treat, the foundation of the song is a typical 1-3-4 progression like we've heard a thousand times, unbecoming of a band of GnR's experience.

*yawn* Next.

Bloodsong · Post by **Bloodsong** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:27 am

i love it. typical conventions and chord patterns never bother me; i think its cool that you get to her the writers interpretation of a time tested motif. like if Slayer played the same riff, it would never be close to the same vibe. i thought it was badass and full of energy. full disclosure- i think Axl has the best voice in rock so i'm more than a little slanted. i'm a sucker for rock cliches i guess; pentatonics, scratchy vocals, and songs that sound like the Stones with modern guitar tone always get me...

edgecrush2003 · Post by **edgecrush2003** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:53 am

i thought it would suck to and i was right it sucks. i hated them before and hate them now.just my opinion.

slackin@dabass · Post by **slackin@dabass** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:25 am

it's not bad... is worth the... what? 10 year? 15 year wait? no. but oh well... i'm just glad it's actually going to be released. i've been waiting on this forever.

metalchurch · Post by **metalchurch** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:42 am

Guess I'll pay for my own Dr.Pepper now.

KyleMayket · Post by **KyleMayket** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:42 am

Axl actually sounded good, it's amazing what engineers can do, and that's stemming from when the "new" GnR played that MTV award show, cuz then, he sounded terrible. but not a bad song.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:19 pm

Take it or Leave it......Honestly, I thought Slash would be back in the band with Steve Adler before this fuckin' thing got released....

Killjingle · Post by **Killjingle** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:31 pm

I think I-IV-V has its place in rock. I dont mind conventional. Im a little lost on the idea that everything has to be competely unique. Im not picking at u Dark Soul; u seem like a knowledgeable guy.

Im just a little tired of the idea that u cant just write a "song" for the sake of writing a "song". A lot of ppl think that if it doesnt reinvent the wheel then its not new. Maybe a wheel has to be round.

I dont wanna hear a Lamb of God or Dream Theatre structure from GNR. I just wanna hear something driving.

metalchurch · Post by **metalchurch** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:30 pm

I agree Chad, that's the type of music and sound that GNR as a band were based on and that's their signature.
I'd be alarmed if they sounded like anything but that.

I dont care for that song mainly because of the effects on Axl's vocals, but I'm sure that there will be atleast a few on the album that I'll like.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:54 pm

ive heard versions of the songs since the beginning. not impressed one bit.
there is only one GnR album to me, and thats 'Appetite for Destruction"

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:26 pm

Ditto.
The latter part of the guitar solo was cool, though.------>JMS

metalchurch · Post by **metalchurch** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:33 pm

AwakenedDrummer wrote:ive heard versions of the songs since the beginning. not impressed one bit.
there is only one GnR album to me, and thats 'Appetite for Destruction"

Same here, i really havent cared for much after that. Appetite is one of the best rock albums of all time.

Dark Soul · Post by **Dark Soul** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:26 pm

Music means different things to different people. I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who love that old school approach and could listen to album after album full of songs all structured pretty much the same way and never get tired of it. To each their own.

But the wheel analogy isn't a good one here. We're not talking engineering. This is music; a means of artistic expression. All a wheel needs to do is keep the vehicle it's attached to moving along. Like any other art form, music should stimulate the mind and soul and always strive to accomplish something new. I'm not saying that Guns 'N' Roses and other bands like them should abandon the style that's a staple of their music. I don't expect a band like GnR to do anything as complex as Dream Theater or Mozart. When I first heard "Appetite For Destruction" I really liked it. I think "Welcome To The Jungle" is a great song and to this day I still like hearing it. But you can stick to your roots and still come up with something more imaginative than this. Too many bands get stuck in "AC/DC syndrome" where after a while all their songs start to sound alike. Not that I'm saying GnR is as bad as AC/DC in that regard. I gave the song credit for its high energy and cool guitar solo. I'm not saying it's bad. It's just not particularly good in my opinion. I would have thought that after all this time they'd have come up with something a little better than this.

But I've admitted many times before that I'm picky about music and this is all just my opinion.

slackin@dabass · Post by **slackin@dabass** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:00 pm

Dark Soul wrote:I would have thought that after all this time they'd have come up with something a little better than this.

true that. i was thinking it was going to be amazing. how many years has this album been in the works? i'm as big a g'n'r fan as anyone, but i feel this song leaves a little to be desired. if it's the first release off the album, i mean... a band's first release from their album is their best song, it's supposed to make you wanna buy the cd... that song left me feeling like "wow, this will sound ok on the radio" buy the cd? no, maybe download a couple of songs

Bloodsong · Post by **Bloodsong** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:08 pm

to me, a good song is a good song. everyone loves Walk from Pantera and Paranoid by Sabbath, and you can play those the first week you pick up an instrument. i thought the guitar (aside from the Buckethead solo) sounds more like Slash than Slash does in Velvet Revolver.

like Dark Soul said; to each his own. i'll buy it the day it comes out.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:14 pm

youre right on the 'a good song is a good song' thing jason. i agree 100%

hopefully they release a song i havent allready heard, and maybe that will be good to me. im just still amazed that is was over a decade in the making. if i took over 10 years to make a record, id hope it would be nothing short of pure brilliance.

Bloodsong · Post by **Bloodsong** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:19 pm

i doubt you're gonna get pure brilliance from Axl Rose lol- have you seen his wardrobe lately???

whitedevilone · Post by **whitedevilone** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:02 pm

Never a big GnR fan,but i think it's a pretty good tune.Then again i do enjoy AC/DC from time to time.It's just Rock n Roll foks.For the record i think Death Magnetic is Metallica's best work in 15 yrs so maybe i'm a musical chump.....but i'm pretty sure i ain't

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:30 pm

whitedevilone wrote:Never a big GnR fan,but i think it's a pretty good tune.Then again i do enjoy AC/DC from time to time.It's just Rock n Roll foks.For the record i think Death Magnetic is Metallica's best work in 15 yrs so maybe i'm a musical chump.....but i'm pretty sure i ain't

Nah...your right. I'm not a big fan of either band, don't get me wrong. I like old Metallica and only liked Appetite for Destruction. Death Magnetic is a close to old school Metallica as they will get....my opinion.

metalchurch · Post by **metalchurch** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:50 am

Dark Soul wrote:I think "Welcome To The Jungle" is a great song and to this day I still like hearing it. But you can stick to your roots and still come up with something more imaginative than this. Too many bands get stuck in "AC/DC syndrome" where after a while all their songs start to sound alike.

Most bands have their signature sound and continue to write in that style not because they aren't good enough musicians to write more complex and 'interesting' music, but because they as a band, have found their niche' or groove in writing.
Most bands write in a particular style because that is what they like and that's what works for them as a unit.

And as a fan and listener to music of genres that you are unfamiliar with, it almost always appears that those bands all sound the same and they are regurgitaing the same music over and over.

While those who happen to love that band/genre have a trained ear for that music and actually find new and fresh sounds within that band's respectful sound.

I can listen to Six Feet Under all day long and every time I listen to them I am floored by the sheer simplicity of the music. Despite the simplicity of the music, I find something "new" each time I listen to them.
SOMETIMES LESS IS MORE.
AC/DC as mentioned, are a prime example of that. They have released the same album for over 35 years now, and unless you really take the time to listen to their music it will appear boring and unexciting.

Hell, even the most technical of bands like Yngwie and Dream Theatre for example sound boring to me, and it all sounds the same to me mainly because there is TOO much going on within each song.
Theres enough riffs and material within each song to write 3 songs out of.
While it may be described as new and fresh, it is boring to me cause I don't listen to that music, and therefore don't have an 'ear' for it.

Like religion,sexual preference,and music....to each their own right?
None are better than another, we just like what we like and that's it....

Dark Soul · Post by **Dark Soul** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:24 am

metalchurch wrote:Like religion,sexual preference,and music....to each their own right? None are better than another, we just like what we like and that's it....

That's true, of course. I didn't mean to suggest that the music I like is inherently better than music like GnR or AC/DC. And I didn't mean to give the impression that I can't appreciate simplistic music. I love music with complex arrangements and melodies, but I also like the music of certain artists who write relatively simple music. As I said before, music means different things to different people. You might listen to Dream Theater and feel that there's too much going on, whereas to me it sounds just right. I listen to the new GnR song and it just doesn't do much for me, but others might think it's great. As you say, to each their own. I was just voicing my opinion, that's all.

metalchurch · Post by **metalchurch** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:33 am

Dark Soul wrote:
metalchurch wrote:Like religion,sexual preference,and music....to each their own right? None are better than another, we just like what we like and that's it....
That's true, of course. I didn't mean to suggest that the music I like is inherently better than music like GnR or AC/DC. And I didn't mean to give the impression that I can't appreciate simplistic music. I love music with complex arrangements and melodies, but I also like the music of certain artists who write relatively simple music. As I said before, music means different things to different people. You might listen to Dream Theater and feel that there's too much going on, whereas to me it sounds just right. I listen to the new GnR song and it just doesn't do much for me, but others might think it's great. As you say, to each their own. I was just voicing my opinion, that's all.

I didn't think you were out of line at all brother, no need to explain to me. I know where you stand musically, and there is nothing wrong with what you listen to at all.
I was trying to make the point that sometimes songs sound boring to those who don't listen to a particular genre and therefore dont have an "ear" for it.
And like I said, even though it may sound boring, there is alot going on in those songs.

I dont knock on anyone's music as best as I can help it. And no 1 style is in theory better than another.
Technicality doe not always mean superior. Althought it might be harder to play, it is sometimes hard to listen to.

I love metal because of the hard to play technical aspects of the music. That's the main reason I choose to play that style, because to me it is challenging.

Althought it is just as challenging to play simple progressions and retain the listener's attention and write something fresh cause there's only so much you can do to achieve those goals if you dont cross the threshold into more technical playing.

Alot of times by playing a few notes and making them really sing and "say" something commmunicates better and is harder to accomplish than a flurry of notes in an arpeggiated pattern.

It's all good brother!

Dark Soul · Post by **Dark Soul** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:38 am

metalchurch wrote:I didn't think you were out of line at all brother, no need to explain to me. I know where you stand musically, and there is nothing wrong with what you listen to at all.

Oh sure, I understand. No worries. But in my defense, I feel it's only fair to point out that I know AC/DC's music as well as anyone. I've owned copies of "Back In Black" (my favorite), "Who Made Who", "TNT" and "Highway To Hell." I spent my youth growing up on music from bands like AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Aerosmith, Black Sabbath, Boston, Journey, Metallica, The Doors, Van Halen, Iron Maiden...you name it, I've listened to it. It's not that I'm not familiar with the music. I've listened to "Back In Black" so many times when I was a kid it's insane. It's just that my musical tastes have moved on, and AC/DC and hard rock like it just doesn't do it for me anymore unless they do something truly imaginative, which they hardly ever do it seems.

But I'll always respect those old rockers for laying the foundation like they have. Much of the music I like now wouldn't be around if it hadn't been for them. I may bitch about AC/DC writing the same shit over and over, but nobody can deny the importance of their contribution to music as we know it and they deserve every ounce of their success.