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Chrysler files for chapter 11

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FOX Business has confirmed that iconic American car maker Chrysler LLC, unable to forge a deal with its lenders, has filed under Chapter 11 bankruptcy in New York City. There are three affiliates in the case and the case has been filed under Judge Gonzalez, according to Fox Business reporter Ken Sweet.

The announcement marks a watershed moment for one of the most important U.S. industries.

“This is truly a tragedy,” said auto industry historian John B. Montville. “It’s really devastating to the U.S. auto industry.

Chrysler’s bankruptcy restructuring will occur in a partnership with Italian car maker Fiat SpA, according to Obama. The president said the Chrysler/Fiat partnership has a “strong chance of success.”

A senior administration officials said earlier that an alliance with Fiat will involve a “short, surgical bankruptcy.”
Obama said bankruptcy should not be seen “as a sign of weakness,” but rather as the first step toward a resurgent Chrysler.

Chrysler could not immediately be reached for comment.

As part of Chrysler’s agreement with the U.S. Government to remain viable and healthy, Chrysler was given a deadline of Thursday at 11:59 PM to reduce its debt and partner with another company.

Chrysler apparently got close to a deal in the 48 hours leading up to the deadline, but its efforts were not enough to save the company from restructuring under Chapter 11.

Though the U.S. Treasury upped its offer to Chrysler’s lenders on Wednesday by $250 million to $2.25 billion in cash, it was not enough to convince smaller lenders to write off the remaining $6.9 billion in Chrysler’s secured debt.

Chrysler, the third largest U.S. automaker, continues to receive support for its future reorganization from the United Auto Workers union, which ratified a new agreement with Chrysler on Wednesday.

President Obama said in the press conference that he did not "stand with" those who held out while others were making sacrifices, in relation to Chrysler's lenders that held out

Montville said Chrysler might have avoided bankruptcy had its manager shown more foresight.

“This shows a paucity of management style across the auto industry,” he said.

Why, he asked, aren’t the foreign car makers operating in the U.S. facing the same struggles as their U.S. competitors?

Obama closed the press conference by saying, "If you buy a car, I hope you will buy an American car."
I hope they can pull it over. I like the Jeeps and Dodge trucks.

Ya know, I just thought; I wonder if this the Kasey Kahne will finally go to a chevy ?
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Rumor has it that GM has the same plans to file bankrupcy. Buy a Ford!
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Chevy is the next one to go bankrupt. Buy a bike!
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B. Hussein gave Chrysler about $20 billion cash so they would not go bankrupt. What happened Barry? Do we get our money back now that they are filing for Chapter 11?
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undercoverjoe wrote:B. Hussein gave Chrysler about $20 billion cash so they would not go bankrupt. What happened Barry? Do we get our money back now that they are filing for Chapter 11?


i'm guessing not. at least that's my guess...


thanks obama.
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Actually, Joe, it was $4 billion and they requested 5 more. The amount doesn't matter. If your into Obama for a penny, you're in for a pound.

Aided by the Michael Milken-like Tim Geithner printing government junk-bonds, Barry O. will probably stage another hostile takeover like he did with GM.
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I wrote a long reply and then deleted it.

does not seem to be much point.

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Anybody want to take bets that our government will use proceeds from government junk bonds to redistribute control of 1/5 of our economy in very short order?

Furthermore, when all is said and done, does anybody want to bet that Obama's mignions, the UAW, will control most of what's left of the US auto industry?

Does anybody remember the Johnstown steel industry? How about Conrail? Never waste a good "crisis"!
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So you're saying employee have no idea how to run a company?
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JackANSI wrote:So you're saying employee have no idea how to run a company?
It isn't about whether employees know how to run a company, which a majority of them probably do; it is about votes ..
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JackANSI wrote:So you're saying employee have no idea how to run a company?
No, I am saying unions have no idea how to run a company.

By definition, corporations are almost always run by employees.
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lonewolf wrote:
JackANSI wrote:So you're saying employee have no idea how to run a company?
No, I am saying unions have no idea how to run a company.
Perhaps that's true for American unions, but I'd do a little research on the European, particuarly German, labor relations model and the Japanese enterprise union model before making such a broad generalization.
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bassist_25 wrote:
lonewolf wrote:
JackANSI wrote:So you're saying employee have no idea how to run a company?
No, I am saying unions have no idea how to run a company.
Perhaps that's true for American unions, but I'd do a little research on the European, particuarly German, labor relations model and the Japanese enteprise union model before making such a broad generalization.
Screw Japan and Germany, we're talking about US unions here--US union bosses would never cede power to those models. At various times during the past 30+ years, I have worked in US union shops and they don't have a clue about anything except grandstanding and collecting dues. Most aren't even any good at collective bargaining.
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lonewolf wrote:
bassist_25 wrote:
lonewolf wrote: No, I am saying unions have no idea how to run a company.
Perhaps that's true for American unions, but I'd do a little research on the European, particuarly German, labor relations model and the Japanese enteprise union model before making such a broad generalization.
Screw Japan and Germany, we're talking about US unions here--US union bosses would never cede power to those models. At different times during the past 30+ years, I have worked in US union shops and they don't have a clue about anything except grandstanding and collecting dues. Most aren't even any good at collective bargaining.
Which is why I will always vote against unions. They are a useless thing ..
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It will be the union bosses (thugs) who will put in charge, not the average worker who knows what he is doing. He only joins the union because he has to or wouldn't get the job.

Supposedly, the union bosses are to get 40% control of Chrysler. That is a strong voting block, and they will never make the concessions needed to keep it afloat. This new arrangement will have no chance. Like this country under this administration.
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lonewolf wrote:
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lonewolf wrote: No, I am saying unions have no idea how to run a company.
Perhaps that's true for American unions, but I'd do a little research on the European, particuarly German, labor relations model and the Japanese enteprise union model before making such a broad generalization.
Screw Japan and Germany, we're talking about US unions here--US union bosses would never cede power to those models. At different times during the past 30+ years, I have worked in US union shops and they don't have a clue about anything except grandstanding and collecting dues. Most aren't even any good at collective bargaining.
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bassist_25 wrote:
lonewolf wrote:
bassist_25 wrote: Perhaps that's true for American unions, but I'd do a little research on the European, particuarly German, labor relations model and the Japanese enteprise union model before making such a broad generalization.
Screw Japan and Germany, we're talking about US unions here--US union bosses would never cede power to those models. At different times during the past 30+ years, I have worked in US union shops and they don't have a clue about anything except grandstanding and collecting dues. Most aren't even any good at collective bargaining.
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lonewolf wrote:
bassist_25 wrote:
lonewolf wrote: Screw Japan and Germany, we're talking about US unions here--US union bosses would never cede power to those models. At different times during the past 30+ years, I have worked in US union shops and they don't have a clue about anything except grandstanding and collecting dues. Most aren't even any good at collective bargaining.
Soldier #2: It could be carried by an African swallow!
Soldier #1: Oh, yeah, an African swallow maybe, but not a European swallow. That's my point.
Soldier #2: Oh, yeah, I agree with that.
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Soldier #1: But then of course a-- African swallows are non-migratory.
Soldier #2: Oh, yeah...
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This brings so many quotes from that movie into my head lol ..
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Buy Honda. My wife's Element was made in Ohio, by people who make $20k less per year (read: nobody sitting in a room colecting pay for not working) and the g-damn thing's like a marathon runner... 140,000 miles, and we have a bit over $200 in repairs the whole time (brakes), not counting fluid changes, tires and other regular maintenance.
As a supposed liberal, you'd think I'd support unions... I do not. They priced themselves out of a job, and corruption is king. Once upon a time, they kept the robber barons from instituting slavery, but today, they're bloated whales, washing up on the beach.
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songsmith wrote:Buy Honda. My wife's Element was made in Ohio, by people who make $20k less per year (read: nobody sitting in a room colecting pay for not working) and the g-damn thing's like a marathon runner... 140,000 miles, and we have a bit over $200 in repairs the whole time (brakes), not counting fluid changes, tires and other regular maintenance. --->JMS
I'll 2nd that. I think it also has the highest % of US parts & labor of any other vehicle made outside of motorcycles.

140,000 miles? Geez, I have a little over 20K on my 2003. The payload is scratched up from hauling lumber & equipment, but it runs like a brand new one. I have the rear seats stored in the garage and only pop them in when hauling more than one other person, which isn't very often. Makes a great cargo van that way.
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Those elements are cool, yet, ugly. They look like boxes. Not as bad as the scion though ..
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lonewolf wrote: 140,000 miles? Geez, I have a little over 20K on my 2003. The payload is scratched up from hauling lumber & equipment, but it runs like a brand new one. I have the rear seats stored in the garage and only pop them in when hauling more than one other person, which isn't very often. Makes a great cargo van that way.

Yep, my wife's a hospice nurse, which means she travels to patients' homes in the middle of the night, every night. Lots of driving involved. She wants a new one, but we recently paid it off, and I'm having trouble convincing her it's gravy from here on out.
I think the Element might be the best-engineered vehicle around, at least from a practicality/flexibility standpoint. The big box shape is the secret... if you look at them, the window posts are massive. It does obstruct view a bit, but you get used to that quick, because the frame is so stiff, which translates to handling and response. You'd be surprised how nimble they are for a box on wheels. The body's pretty light, the 160-hp engine is plenty for it, and it rides nice enough for long trips. In fact, it's THE road-trip car... decent mpg, nice ride, and The Deathmaster can fit his 6-foot-plus frame in the back seat, and his feet can't reach the front seat. Enormous leg and shoulder room. It's like if you took a minivan, cut it from 7 passenger to 4, gave it AWD and a sturdier frame, and made it look like a French ambulance. I understand it was originally aimed at twenty-something surfer-types, but was commandeered by 40-something empty-nesters.
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