I will agree with the heal care bill if ....

[f.sciarrillo]

I don't believe that that woman who has 6 kids to 4 different fathers, is on welfare and has never worked a day in her life SHOULD have a grab on this health care system. Welfare provides her and hers. But like Paul stated, majority of Americans CANNOT afford health care right now, and it's not because they aren't working for it... It's that there is a price border issue that's not getting any better

As always, John, you gave a rational framing of the issue. I don't know if Obama Care is the answer. I haven't researched it enough and I don't feel qualified to give a cogent analysis. However, I do know that the current status quo of health care is a clusterfornication.

I would, however, like to explore how a reformed health system would affect things from an HR perspective. Health care costs are a big reason why companies don't hire new employees, and instead, stack loads of overtime on current employees. It's cheaper to pay the time and a half than pay for health care. You really can't blame management for that strategy. With at least cheaper health care at the same quality level, it would be interesting to see if jobs became more readily available. In the current economy, that would be a Godsend.

It is as I stated. I agree with a over haul in the health care system. But, with the way they have it set up to go now is not going to work. I was watching MSNBC, FOX NEWS, and CNN tonight and they all three said that Obama is going to offer his own plan which he will be laying out next Wednesday when he addresses congress. We will see how this goes.

[Hawk]

Either one is fine, as long as everyone gets equal coverage.

How about equal houses? I have seen some huge mansions around here, and I want the government to provide me an equal house to the richest people in Blair co.

How about equal cars? I see lots of Beemers, Mercedes, Humvees, Lexus and Audis around here. I want govt to provide equal vehicles.

How about equal jobs? There are some really high paying jobs around here. Why won't the govt provide equal jobs for us all?

(maybe that one is a sore subject these days with a new record 9.7% unemployment, so the government might have trouble meeting this equal coverage)

B. Hussein got a free ride to Harvard. How about this government providing equal free college educations? It is the moral thing to do.

Joe, why do you go to extremes or to the absurd ? I say, educate people and keep them healthy so that they can contribute to society. It's that simple.

In other words, Teach a man to fish and keep him healthy so that he can take care of himself and perhaps beyond himself. If / when he does, YOU benefit as well. It's win win .

[Naga]

I don't believe that that woman who has 6 kids to 4 different fathers, is on welfare and has never worked a day in her life SHOULD have a grab on this health care system. Welfare provides her and hers. But like Paul stated, majority of Americans CANNOT afford health care right now, and it's not because they aren't working for it... It's that there is a price border issue that's not getting any better

As always, John, you gave a rational framing of the issue. I don't know if Obama Care is the answer. I haven't researched it enough and I don't feel qualified to give a cogent analysis. However, I do know that the current status quo of health care is a clusterfornication.

I would, however, like to explore how a reformed health system would affect things from an HR perspective. Health care costs are a big reason why companies don't hire new employees, and instead, stack loads of overtime on current employees. It's cheaper to pay the time and a half than pay for health care. You really can't blame management for that strategy. With at least cheaper health care at the same quality level, it would be interesting to see if jobs became more readily available. In the current economy, that would be a Godsend.

Quite ironic... The entire government sits there, collecting and hoarding money, stockpiling and shuffling it into their bank accounts. They sit there and throw great ideas, then chew them up, ingest them and shit them back out, then present that as the result of a once-intelligent suggestion. They allow every self-money-maker company in the US to eat everything alive. The companies that matter, they cut and slash until they go overseas. They then look at each other dubiously, and ask, "Why is our economy in such a rut?". They then point fingers at all the wrong things, throw money in all the wrong places, keep everything else for themselves. They once again ask, "What's wrong with the economy?"

Well,... If they'd actually give us a damn bone and stop trying to make everything better and just make everything better, we'd HAVE a better economy! Do something right for once!

[Banned]

Teach a man to fish and keep him healthy so that he can take care of himself

Teach a man to fish is an old proverb. And "keep him healthy", is that the new testament from the Messiah?

How do you keep someone healthy?

Burn down all the McDonalds in the country, you know obesity has doubled in the last 10 years.

Burn all the tobacco fields down South, smoking is the leading cause of heart disease and many cancers.

Get rid of cars so all that walking will make us healthier.

Teaching someone to fish is one thing, but "keep him healthy" would be a life long government program. Oh, Now I see what you are going for.l

[nakedtwister]

I would like the Federal Government to develop a new agency called "Weed out the Slackers". No Offence to "Slacker Theory". [/quote]



Reagan tried that when I lived in Md. and the special interest groups shot that down. It was a program he wanted to start, having people who were on a free ride, to have people clean up D.C.. Real tough work like pick up litter, sweep the streets and side walks, cover graffiti, etc.. Well it was Un constitutional to have them work for their free money. You see as long as everyone agrees on everything there is no need for Govt.. They will never agree. The politicians would have to get real jobs. Then they would have to worry about health care.

[slackin@dabass]

hawk, there is a difference between health care reform and a communistic health care system. if you want lower premiums, why not regulate it? then, i'm not required by law to have healthcare, which the previous 1200 page bill proposed, and you are paying less.

nakedtwister, you called it. when everyone agrees on something, then the politicians are out of a job. the problem with our current system, imho, is that the politicians in power have lost touch with reality.

[CHICKSINGA]

The Biggest Problem with Socialism is that Sooner or Later You Run Out of Other People's Money...

- Margaret Thatcher

[f.sciarrillo]

The Biggest Problem with Socialism is that Sooner or Later You Run Out of Other People's Money...

- Margaret Thatcher

It also promotes laziness and stupidity ... Why should I work if I can have what the person next store who works 100 hours a week makes with out having to break my back ?

[Hawk]

The Biggest Problem with Socialism is that Sooner or Later You Run Out of Other People's Money...

- Margaret Thatcher

Pure socialism SUCKS ! And it doesn't work. Communism SUCKS. There are some people on here who actually believe we should force everyone to work. THAT is communism, everyone has a job. Are you advocating that everyone either work or die ? Then you would do well to join the workers socialist party.

Capitalism and social projects have gone hand in hand for over a hundred years, and it works well. May I remind you that the roads and bridges you drive on are social projects. The food you eat and the water you drink are protected by socialism. The water (in most) streams is capable of supporting fish because of our social government.

[Hawk]

The Biggest Problem with Socialism is that Sooner or Later You Run Out of Other People's Money...

- Margaret Thatcher

It also promotes laziness and stupidity ... Why should I work if I can have what the person next store who works 100 hours a week makes with out having to break my back ?

Why are you so stuck on welfare slackers ? Have the roads you drive on (to get to work) promoted laziness ? Does clean water = laziness ?

Does keeping our society healthy promote healthiness.

Would you like everyone to be forced to work ?

[Hawk]

Why should I work if I can have what the person next store who works 100 hours a week makes with out having to break my back ?

Most interesting statement. Are you saying you work because you have to ? Rather than a desire to contribute to society. No wonder we're on different sides of the fence. I work because I want to, not because I have to.

[f.sciarrillo]

Why should I work if I can have what the person next store who works 100 hours a week makes with out having to break my back ?

Most interesting statement. Are you saying you work because you have to ? Rather than a desire to contribute to society. No wonder we're on different sides of the fence. I work because I want to, not because I have to.

I was making the point that if we all have to share the wealth, why should I have to work if the person next store is breaking his back and making my living for me?

[RobTheDrummer]

People should work because this country is built on work, not fucking welfare.

[bassist_25]

People should work because this country is built on work, not fucking welfare.

And we should also systematically slaughter Native Americans and take their land by force as well, because this country was also founded on that.

Jesus jumpity cricket, nobody likes bums leeching off of the system. Do we even need to beat our heads into the ground discussing that?

[slackin@dabass]

People should work because this country is built on work, not fucking welfare.

And we should also systematically slaughter Native Americans and take their land by force as well, because this country was also founded on that.

and that's my point! native americans, amish, and religions don't pay taxes in this country. why don't we just charge the piss out of them. all of them and african americans or whatever the "proper non-racist politically correct" term may be these days. like in the old days. watch out, everyone, whitey is fuckin back!



(disclaimer: the above post was meant as satire. not to be taken seriously and i don't really feel this way at all. except for religions. i think all religions in this country should be taxed. not because you believe what you believe, but based on the fact that the catholic church has so much money passing through it. and if it wasn't true, the Vatican wouldn't be the richest country in the world... not that i know for sure that they are, but whatever, they're still pretty fucking wealthy. but pay no mind to that, i don't want to hijack this thread.)

[f.sciarrillo]

(disclaimer: the above post was meant as satire. not to be taken seriously and i don't really feel this way at all. except for religions. i think all religions in this country should be taxed. not because you believe what you believe, but based on the fact that the catholic church has so much money passing through it. and if it wasn't true, the Vatican wouldn't be the richest country in the world... not that i know for sure that they are, but whatever, they're still pretty fucking wealthy. but pay no mind to that, i don't want to hijack this thread.)

I think I would select this as a runner up for post of the year lol ..

[Hawk]

Why should I work if I can have what the person next store who works 100 hours a week makes with out having to break my back ?

Most interesting statement. Are you saying you work because you have to ? Rather than a desire to contribute to society. No wonder we're on different sides of the fence. I work because I want to, not because I have to.

I was making the point that if we all have to share the wealth, why should I have to work if the person next store is breaking his back and making my living for me?

Why the hell don't you get, that not everyone who collects is a slacker ? Damn, What do you do, channel Glen Beck ?

[f.sciarrillo]

Most interesting statement. Are you saying you work because you have to ? Rather than a desire to contribute to society. No wonder we're on different sides of the fence. I work because I want to, not because I have to.

I was making the point that if we all have to share the wealth, why should I have to work if the person next store is breaking his back and making my living for me?

Why the hell don't you get, that not everyone who collects is a slacker ? Damn, What do you do, channel Glen Beck ?

What do you not get? People do not want to work their tail off to support the person next door.

I am not saying that everyone is a slacker. But people are fed up with supporting the next person ..

[Hawk]

I was making the point that if we all have to share the wealth, why should I have to work if the person next store is breaking his back and making my living for me?

Why the hell don't you get, that not everyone who collects is a slacker ? Damn, What do you do, channel Glen Beck ?

What do you not get, people do not want to work their tail off to support the person next door ??

I am not saying that everyone is a slacker. But people are fed up with supporting the next person ..

If some incompetent mentally challenged or physically challenged person peaks at McDonald's, he IS working, and I want to make sure he is properly covered by health insurance. Do you have a problem with that ?

[f.sciarrillo]

Why the hell don't you get, that not everyone who collects is a slacker ? Damn, What do you do, channel Glen Beck ?

What do you not get, people do not want to work their tail off to support the person next door ??

I am not saying that everyone is a slacker. But people are fed up with supporting the next person ..

If some incompetent mentally challenged or physically challenged person peaks at McDonald's, he IS working, and I want to make sure he is properly covered by health insurance. Do you have a problem with that ?

Why do you keep adverting to the ones who are working ? I am talking about the ones who are not working. I have said time and time again that if you work for it then yes you do deserve, and their exceptions to that rule. But if you just too lazy, then you deserve nothing. People have to give to receive. Sociology is a grant thing. But socialism is not ...

This whole thing is about spreading the wealth. It is like taking joe down the street who makes minimum wage and giving him a mansion and a bentley because john up the street has the same thing. I don't go for that.

This reminds me of a welfare reform report I wrote in college. I got an A++ on by the way ..

[Hawk]

What do you not get, people do not want to work their tail off to support the person next door ??

I am not saying that everyone is a slacker. But people are fed up with supporting the next person ..

If some incompetent mentally challenged or physically challenged person peaks at McDonald's, he IS working, and I want to make sure he is properly covered by health insurance. Do you have a problem with that ?

Why do you keep adverting to the ones who are working ? I am talking about the ones who are not working. I have said time and time again that if you work for it then yes you do deserve, and their exceptions to that rule. But if you just too lazy, then you deserve nothing. People have to give to receive. Sociology is a grant thing. But socialism is not ...

This whole thing is about spreading the wealth. It is like taking joe down the street who makes minimum wage and giving him a mansion and a bentley because john up the street has the same thing. I don't go for that.

This reminds me of a welfare reform report I wrote in college. I got an A++ on by the way ..

Because I have repeatedly been against the slackers, yet you still argue with me. I don't get it ?

I want health insurance for EVERYONE and if we exclude the slackers, are you OK with that ?

[f.sciarrillo]

If some incompetent mentally challenged or physically challenged person peaks at McDonald's, he IS working, and I want to make sure he is properly covered by health insurance. Do you have a problem with that ?

Why do you keep adverting to the ones who are working ? I am talking about the ones who are not working. I have said time and time again that if you work for it then yes you do deserve, and their exceptions to that rule. But if you just too lazy, then you deserve nothing. People have to give to receive. Sociology is a grant thing. But socialism is not ...

This whole thing is about spreading the wealth. It is like taking joe down the street who makes minimum wage and giving him a mansion and a bentley because john up the street has the same thing. I don't go for that.

This reminds me of a welfare reform report I wrote in college. I got an A++ on by the way ..

Because I have repeatedly been against the slackers, yet you still argue with me. I don't get it ?

I want health insurance for EVERYONE and if we exclude the slackers, are you OK with that ?

I am all for excluding the "slackers". I don't have a problem with helping some one who is trying to help themselves and/or their family (and when I say family I mean those who live in the same household).

[Naga]

Only problem is, Betty Welfarebitch wants her cut of the pie too, even if she didn't/won't give any money to buy the ingredients, give any ingredients, or help cook the f'in thing!

And on top of that, she wants a slice for all 15 of her kids as well, cos they deserve it even if they're only seen as more pie for her, and not as kids. Damn Betty Welfarebitch, slut of the trailer park...

[Hawk]

I am all for excluding the "slackers". I don't have a problem with helping some one who is trying to help themselves and/or their family (and when I say family I mean those who live in the same household).

Then, essentially, we've been on the same page the whole time.

How do YOU propose we get them health insurance ?

[Hawk]

Only problem is, Betty Welfarebitch wants her cut of the pie too, even if she didn't/won't give any money to buy the ingredients, give any ingredients, or help cook the f'in thing!

And on top of that, she wants a slice for all 15 of her kids as well, cos they deserve it even if they're only seen as more pie for her, and not as kids. Damn Betty Welfarebitch, slut of the trailer park...

Out of the 40 million uninsured, how many of them are Bettys ?

You DO realize that Betty already gets free health care by taking all of her kids to the emergency ? Driving up hospital costs and driving up your insurance premiums.