I'm for it

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:18 pm

http://wearecentralpa.com/media/pdf/House_HCR_bill.pdf

Read the Entire House Health Care Reform Bill

I'm for it

Flaw · Post by **Flaw** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:17 pm

and here we go...

Colton · Post by **Colton** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:38 pm

He cant! Hes gotta go play his drums!

Flaw · Post by **Flaw** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:48 pm

Colton wrote:He cant! Hes gotta go play his drums!

this is way more important then drums. this is about the future of our great nation...being discussed on a local music forum lol

Tegamal · Post by **Tegamal** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:14 pm

This will not end well...

bassist4life2004 · Post by **bassist4life2004** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:41 am

Holy balls, no wonder nothing ever gets passed in this country, that things a mile or 2 long. I'd rather eat my fuckin work van than read through that shit.

PStl · Post by **PStl** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:23 am

I could tell it was a big piece of shit from the first 2 lines!

They can't control the corruption in the Federal Government now, so let's let them control another 1/6th of the economy?

Control the growth in Health Care spending? Who are the kidding?

"And for other purposes". Oh, really? Can't wait to dig into that!

Dingell, Rangel, Waxman, Miller. Not exactly Muderer's Row, but this will do more damage than these dimwits even fathom.

Here's a couple key phrases to run from:

Shared responsibility. Subsidies. cooperatives. COMMISSIONER. I'm up to page 12. More later.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:17 pm

a lot of people need affordable health insurance, and god knows those private health insurers are some of the richest entities on the planet. they need the competition or no one including you will be able to afford your premium. tht's a fact

RobTheDrummer · Post by **RobTheDrummer** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:41 pm

The government doesn't know how to run anything right, what makes you think they will run heathcare right?

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:25 pm

RobTheDrummer wrote:The government doesn't know how to run anything right, what makes you think they will run heathcare right?

VA Proves Government Can Run Health Care Better Than Private Sector — Bloomberg.co.
Published October 4, 2009 Business , Health , Insurance , Medicine , Military , Seniors , Technology , War Leave a Comment

Vets Loving Socialized Medicine Show Government Offers Savings – Bloomberg.com

Oct. 2 (Bloomberg) — Rick Tanner is one American who loves his government-run health care.

After serving in Vietnam and spending three decades in the U.S. Navy, Tanner retired in 1991 with a bad knee and high blood pressure. He enrolled in the Veterans Health Administration and now benefits from comprehensive treatment with few co-payments and an electronic records system more advanced than almost anywhere at private hospitals.

“The care is superb,” said Tanner, 66, a San Diego resident who visits the veterans medical center in La Jolla, California, and a clinic in nearby Mission Valley. The record- keeping, he said, is “state of the art.”

As Congress considers changing Americans’ access to health care, the veterans agency, whose projected budget this year is $45 billion, is evidence that the government can provide care favored by patients that may offer savings when compared with private insurers….

you asked, there is your answer

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:47 pm

The Pentagon Wants Authority to Post Almost 400,000 Military Personnel in U.S.
By Matthew Rothschild, August 12, 2009
http://www.progressive.org/wx081209b.html

The Pentagon has approached Congress to grant the Secretary of Defense the authority to post almost 400,000 military personnel throughout the United States in times of emergency or a major disaster...

This request...raises the prospect of U.S. military personnel patrolling the streets of the United States, in conflict with the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878.

In June, the U.S. Northern Command distributed a “Congressional Fact Sheet” entitled “Legislative Proposal for Activation of Federal Reserve Forces for Disasters.” That proposal would amend current law, thereby “authorizing the Secretary of Defense to order any unit or member of the Army Reserve, Air Force Reserve, Navy Reserve, and the Marine Corps Reserve, to active duty for a major disaster or emergency.”

Taken together, these reserve units would amount to “more than 379,000 military personnel in thousands of communities across the United States,” explained

Why? What are They preparing for?

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:10 pm

Take out the public option (or whatever it is called today), don't fund abortions, and regulate the insurance companies and I will be for it.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:14 pm

RobTheDrummer · Post by **RobTheDrummer** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:05 am

gosteelers wrote:
RobTheDrummer wrote:The government doesn't know how to run anything right, what makes you think they will run heathcare right?
VA Proves Government Can Run Health Care Better Than Private Sector — Bloomberg.co.
Published October 4, 2009 Business , Health , Insurance , Medicine , Military , Seniors , Technology , War Leave a Comment

Vets Loving Socialized Medicine Show Government Offers Savings – Bloomberg.com

Oct. 2 (Bloomberg) — Rick Tanner is one American who loves his government-run health care.

After serving in Vietnam and spending three decades in the U.S. Navy, Tanner retired in 1991 with a bad knee and high blood pressure. He enrolled in the Veterans Health Administration and now benefits from comprehensive treatment with few co-payments and an electronic records system more advanced than almost anywhere at private hospitals.

“The care is superb,” said Tanner, 66, a San Diego resident who visits the veterans medical center in La Jolla, California, and a clinic in nearby Mission Valley. The record- keeping, he said, is “state of the art.”

As Congress considers changing Americans’ access to health care, the veterans agency, whose projected budget this year is $45 billion, is evidence that the government can provide care favored by patients that may offer savings when compared with private insurers….

you asked, there is your answer

Go here: http://www.vawatchdog.org/

tornandfrayed · Post by **tornandfrayed** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:29 pm

Why is it that people think they don't want a public option? Just trying to understand. Seems like a government option would be good for competition by keeping the price low. Also seems weird that ads list this as a "Takeover" of the health care system. Where does that kind of thought come from? Even with a public option there would be no takeover...

The government seems to run schools ok, most people who have kids send them to public schools. If you are willing to send children, our most precious resource, into a gov run school system for 8 hours a day then what scares you about a "public option" that you don't have to choose?

I am trying to understand why people think that having a public option for government health care means that they (gov) are taking over the whole thing. It just seems strange and I don't know where people get the idea...

Thats like saying that we are offering a new deli in town and since that is happening you will all have to eat there everyday. That sounds stupid right? Because there is an "option" does not mean you have to pick it. We all understand the definition of option right?

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:09 pm

gosteelers wrote:
RobTheDrummer wrote:The government doesn't know how to run anything right, what makes you think they will run heathcare right?
VA Proves Government Can Run Health Care Better Than Private Sector — Bloomberg.co.
Published October 4, 2009 Business , Health , Insurance , Medicine , Military , Seniors , Technology , War Leave a Comment

Vets Loving Socialized Medicine Show Government Offers Savings – Bloomberg.com

Oct. 2 (Bloomberg) — Rick Tanner is one American who loves his government-run health care.

After serving in Vietnam and spending three decades in the U.S. Navy, Tanner retired in 1991 with a bad knee and high blood pressure. He enrolled in the Veterans Health Administration and now benefits from comprehensive treatment with few co-payments and an electronic records system more advanced than almost anywhere at private hospitals.

“The care is superb,” said Tanner, 66, a San Diego resident who visits the veterans medical center in La Jolla, California, and a clinic in nearby Mission Valley. The record- keeping, he said, is “state of the art.”

As Congress considers changing Americans’ access to health care, the veterans agency, whose projected budget this year is $45 billion, is evidence that the government can provide care favored by patients that may offer savings when compared with private insurers….

you asked, there is your answer

The VA system? heh heh heh. I'm glad we have it for our Vets and I'm sure there are Vets who like it, but its only a pipedream for the general population. There are 7.84 million enrollees in the VA system at a cost of $45 billion. That's a "premium" of about $5740 per person per year, or $480 per person per month.

Lets take that X 310 million people = $1.8 TRILLION per year.

The effing progressives who write this propaganda need to learn some effing investigative and math skills.

http://www1.va.gov/vetdata/docs/4X6_sum ... epoint.pdf

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:41 pm

tornandfrayed wrote:I am trying to understand why people think that having a public option for government health care means that they (gov) are taking over the whole thing. It just seems strange and I don't know where people get the idea...

Thats like saying that we are offering a new deli in town and since that is happening you will all have to eat there everyday. That sounds stupid right? Because there is an "option" does not mean you have to pick it. We all understand the definition of option right?

Geez Dave, aren't you an accountant?

No, its more like saying there is a new deli in town that will only charge you $1 for a footlong with extra cheese. The government subsidizes the rest of the cost. The footlong may have day old lettuce and velveeta cheese, but for a buck? Everybody will buy the $1 footlong. The people who sell $5 footlongs will quickly go out of business.

With tax subsidies, the government will under cut private insurance companies and very quickly put them out of the healthcare insurance business. This practice has already been introduced with Medicare and Medicaid. Government price fixing also affects the health care providers in a very bad way. Many doctors will NOT accept Medicare/Medicaid because they cannot provide the services at the government's fixed price. If that spills out to the rest of the population, as many as 400,000 doctors would get out of the health care business.