How Low Will He Go?

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:10 pm

How low will he go? Obama gives Japan's Emperor Akihito a wow bow
November 14, 2009 | 3:38 am

Democrat president Barack Obama bows to Japan's Emperor Akihito and Empress Michiko 11-09

How low will the new American president go for the world's royalty?

This photo will get Democrat President Obama a lot of approving nods in Japan this weekend, especially among the older generation of Japanese who still pay attention to the royal family living in iRepublican vice president Dick Cheney is received by Emperor Akihito in 2007ts downtown castle. Very low bows like this are a sign of great respect and deference to a superior.

To some in the United States, however, an upright handshake might have looked better. (See Cheney-Akihito photo, right).

Remember Michelle Obama casually patting Britain's Queen Elizabeth on the back during their Buckingham Palace visit? America's royalty tends to make movies and get bad reviews and lots of money as a sign of respect.

Obama could receive some frowns back home as he did for his not-quite-this-low-or-maybe-about-the-same-bow to the Saudi king not so long ago. (See photo here)

How times change under Democratic presidents.

Back in 1994 when President Bill Clinton appeared to maybe perhaps almost start to bow to Akihito at a White House encounter, U.S. officials rushed to deny it was any such a thing. And the N.Y. Times chronicled the comedic drama here.

Akihito, who turns 76 next month, is the eldest son and fifth child of Emperor Showa, the name given to an emperor and his reign after his death.

Emperor Showa is better known abroad by the life name of Hirohito. He became emperor in 1925 and died in 1989, the longest historically-known rule of the nation's 125 emperors.

Hirohito presided over his nation's growth from an undeveloped agrarian economy into the expansionist military power and ally of Nazi Germany of the 1930's.

And, later, Japan became a global economic giant. Hirohito, along with Prime Minister Hideki Tojo, who authorized the 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor, were much reviled abroad during World War II.

Historically, debaDemocrat president Barack Obama bows to the Saudi kingte has simmered over how much of a political puppet Hirohito was to the country's military before and during the war.

Even after Democratic President Harry Truman ordered the two atom bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in the summer of 1945, there were strong forces within Japan that wanted to continue to fight the Americans in the spirit of kamikaze suicide pilots.

But Akihito's father went on national radio, the first time his subjects had ever heard Hirohito's voice, and without using the inflammatory word "surrender," pronounced that the country must "accept the unacceptable." It did.

As the conquering Allied general and then presiding officer of the U.S. occupation, Gen. Douglas MacArthur, decided to allow Japan to keep its emperor as a ceremonial unifying institution within a nascent democracy.

Tojo, on the other hand, was hanged.

MacArthur treated Emperor Hirohito respectfully but, as his body language in this blacU.S. General Douglas MacArthur meets with Japan's Emperor Hirohitok and white postwar photo demonstrates, was not particularly deferential.

(But then MacArthur was not known as a particularly deferential person, as Truman discovered just before firing him later. But that's another war.)

Akihito was born during Japan's conquering of China and was evacuated during the devastating American fire-bombing of Tokyo, which was built largely of wood in those days.

The future emperor learned English during the U.S. occupation, but, inexplicably, his father ordered that his oldest boy not receive an Army commission as previous imperial heirs always had.

Akihito assumed the throne on Jan. 7, 1989. Within weeks he began a series of formal expressions of remorse to Asian countries for Japan's actions during his....

...father's reign. In 2003, he underwent surgery for prostate cancer.

In 1959, Akihito married Michiko Shoda, the first commoner allowed to enter the Japanese royal family. That was two years before the birth of Akihito's future presidential guest, Barack Obama.

Joe Biden was already 17 by then. But he wasn't a senator.

-- Andrew Malcolm

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washing ... japan.html

JackANSI · Post by **JackANSI** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:06 pm

Whats wrong with showing respect for other cultures?

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:09 pm

JackANSI wrote:Whats wrong with showing respect for other cultures?

+1

you right wing neo con's need to get that chip off your shoulder

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:47 pm

gosteelers wrote:
JackANSI wrote:Whats wrong with showing respect for other cultures?
+1

you right wing neo con's need to get that chip off your shoulder

I voted for Ron Paul. The right wing neo con's hated him. At least get the names you call me correct. (Libertarian independent)

American leaders are not supposed to bow or genuflect to any other leaders, period. B. Hussein has now done this twice, here and a few months ago for the king of Saudi Arabia. Trying to turn America into a subservient nation.

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:59 pm

I mentioned this in another post on here. Maybe he will come to a arena near you? This rock star wanna-be is a legend in his own mind.

I saw his book yesterday at Barnes and Nobles. I thought about buying it, then decided to spend my money on an item really worth something ...

shredder138 · Post by **shredder138** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:02 pm

f.sciarrillo wrote:I mentioned this in another post on here. Maybe he will come to a arena near you? This rock star wanna-be is a legend in his own mind.

I saw his book yesterday at Barnes and Nobles. I thought about buying it, then decided to spend my money on an item really worth something ...

What a dildo? For your butt.

shredder138 · Post by **shredder138** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:03 pm

undercoverjoe wrote: At least get the names you call me correct.

Douche bag? Yes, definately douche bag.

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:05 pm

shredder138 wrote:
f.sciarrillo wrote:I mentioned this in another post on here. Maybe he will come to a arena near you? This rock star wanna-be is a legend in his own mind.

I saw his book yesterday at Barnes and Nobles. I thought about buying it, then decided to spend my money on an item really worth something ...
What a dildo? For your butt.

No, I got a dildo for your butt ...

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:19 pm

shredder138 wrote:
undercoverjoe wrote: At least get the names you call me correct.

Douche bag? Yes, definately douche bag.

Hey asshole, at least do not call me a neo con. Come on out to a Nail Driver practice some time.

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:26 pm

Much ado about nothing. Obama said because he is so tall he automatically leaned forward, lowering is head, to shake hands.
didn't Bush vomit on one of them ?

Damn such a horrible thing, that other countries RE-gain some respect for the USA! We can't let that happen.

Petty

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:29 pm

f.sciarrillo wrote:I mentioned this in another post on here. Maybe he will come to a arena near you? This rock star wanna-be is a legend in his own mind.

Exactly what did this guy do that makes you hate him on a personal level, to the point that you feel a need to continually make things up ?

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:33 pm

undercoverjoe wrote:
gosteelers wrote:
JackANSI wrote:Whats wrong with showing respect for other cultures?
+1

you right wing neo con's need to get that chip off your shoulder
I voted for Ron Paul. The right wing neo con's hated him. At least get the names you call me correct. (Libertarian independent)

American leaders are not supposed to bow or genuflect to any other leaders, period. B. Hussein has now done this twice, here and a few months ago for the king of Saudi Arabia. Trying to turn America into a subservient nation.

Joe, you are speculating again. That is totally against YOU"RE OWN RULES regarding others. Did you get a waver from...yourself ?

Perhaps it was an automatic response on Obama's part. Waver for speculation requested.

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:40 pm

Hawk wrote:
f.sciarrillo wrote:I mentioned this in another post on here. Maybe he will come to a arena near you? This rock star wanna-be is a legend in his own mind.
Exactly what did this guy do that makes you hate him on a personal level, to the point that you feel a need to continually make things up ?

I don't hate him on a personal level, it is his policies that I do not like.

And as for him bowing because the guy was short is total bs ....

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:55 pm

f.sciarrillo wrote:
Hawk wrote:
f.sciarrillo wrote:I mentioned this in another post on here. Maybe he will come to a arena near you? This rock star wanna-be is a legend in his own mind.
Exactly what did this guy do that makes you hate him on a personal level, to the point that you feel a need to continually make things up ?
I don't hate him on a personal level, it is his policies that I do not like.

And as for him bowing because the guy was short is total bs ....

Please detail unliked policies. I was very critical of Bush, but I could detail why.

Isn't something you make up like, "A rock star wannabe" personal, or did I miss that part of his policy ? Don't you feel dumb when what you say contradicts...what you say ?

And you often do it all in the same thread.

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:01 pm

Hawk wrote:
f.sciarrillo wrote:
Hawk wrote: Exactly what did this guy do that makes you hate him on a personal level, to the point that you feel a need to continually make things up ?
I don't hate him on a personal level, it is his policies that I do not like.

And as for him bowing because the guy was short is total bs ....
Please detail unliked policies. I was very critical of Bush, but I could detail why.

Isn't something you make up like, "A rock star wannabe" personal, or did I miss that part of his policy ? Don't you feel dumb when what you say contradicts...what you say ? And you often do it all in the same thread.

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Barack_Obama.htm

shredder138 · Post by **shredder138** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:07 pm

shredder138 wrote:
f.sciarrillo wrote:I mentioned this in another post on here. Maybe he will come to a arena near you? This rock star wanna-be is a legend in his own mind.

I saw his book yesterday at Barnes and Nobles. I thought about buying it, then decided to spend my money on an item really worth something ...
What a dildo? For your butt.

That's even worse.

Hey asshole, at least do not call me a neo con. Come on out to a Nail Driver practice some time.

That would mean I'd have to listen to neo con douche baggery. I've been meaning to, but I'll be damned if something doesn't always come up.

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:09 pm

f.sciarrillo wrote:
Hawk wrote:
f.sciarrillo wrote: I don't hate him on a personal level, it is his policies that I do not like.

And as for him bowing because the guy was short is total bs ....
Please detail unliked policies. I was very critical of Bush, but I could detail why.

Isn't something you make up like, "A rock star wannabe" personal, or did I miss that part of his policy ? Don't you feel dumb when what you say contradicts...what you say ? And you often do it all in the same thread.
http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Barack_Obama.htm

What a cop out a link. You really can't think for yourself.

There are perhaps one or two hundred items on that link. Do you disagree on everyone of them ?

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:14 pm

Hawk wrote:
f.sciarrillo wrote:
Hawk wrote: Please detail unliked policies. I was very critical of Bush, but I could detail why.

Isn't something you make up like, "A rock star wannabe" personal, or did I miss that part of his policy ? Don't you feel dumb when what you say contradicts...what you say ? And you often do it all in the same thread.
http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Barack_Obama.htm
What a cop out a link. You really can't think for yourself.

There are perhaps one or two hundred items on that link. Do you disagree on everyone of them ?

Well, after looking at it for the past half hour I would say about 98% of it ...

Plastered Bastards · Post by **Plastered Bastards** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:05 pm

I VOTED FOR OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HELL YEAH I DID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I WOULD DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN
AND HE IS A ROCK STAR. RIGHT NEXT TO MIKE TOMLIN

DogAlpha · Post by **DogAlpha** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:20 pm

I studied the Martial Arts for over 20 years.

I see nothing wrong with greeting foreigners with their own customs.

But, "The Lowering of the Head beneath the other persons is a sign of a lower rank."

I always bowed lower to my instructors and higher ranking belt holders.

I believe this was a great mistake, unless Obama feels he is inferior to Akihito.

From this photo and the Arab one it shows him to be inferior.

Either he feels inferior or someone at the White House should educate Obama to this mistake.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:36 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U6fL7Y4BZA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEUif1--r38

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:02 pm

f.sciarrillo wrote:
Hawk wrote:
f.sciarrillo wrote: http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Barack_Obama.htm
What a cop out a link. You really can't think for yourself.

There are perhaps one or two hundred items on that link. Do you disagree on everyone of them ?
Well, after looking at it for the past half hour I would say about 98% of it ...

Yeah, that's specfic.

"After looking at it for the last half hour"...five laughs for you

for not knowing what his policies are while you were claiming to hate them.

I thought you knew them, well, not really, I knew you didn't.

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:11 pm

undercoverjoe wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U6fL7Y4BZA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEUif1--r38

I like these, it shows just how much of a cheese head he is lol ...

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:12 pm

Hawk wrote:
f.sciarrillo wrote:
Hawk wrote: What a cop out a link. You really can't think for yourself.

There are perhaps one or two hundred items on that link. Do you disagree on everyone of them ?
Well, after looking at it for the past half hour I would say about 98% of it ...
Yeah, that's specfic.

"After looking at it for the last half hour"...five laughs for you for not knowing what his policies are while you were claiming to hate them.

I thought you knew them, well, not really, I knew you didn't.

It would take a couple of pages to describe them all. I'm not to get carpel to appease you, as you seem to think this is some kind of joke ..

It is obvious that you are in love with him and I am not.

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:21 pm

f.sciarrillo wrote:
Hawk wrote:
f.sciarrillo wrote: Well, after looking at it for the past half hour I would say about 98% of it ...
Yeah, that's specfic.

"After looking at it for the last half hour"...five laughs for you for not knowing what his policies are while you were claiming to hate them.

I thought you knew them, well, not really, I knew you didn't.
It would take a couple of pages to describe them all. I'm not to get carpel to appease you, as you seem to think this is some kind of joke ..

It is obvious that you are in love with him and I am not.

All I ask for was specifics and you can't do it. You even had to research what they are.

Yes, you hate him because Beck and Limbaugh do. You can add NOTHING to a conversation unless they put it in your head. You know nothing and prove it so often you make me sick. Why you blindly follow their lead I'll never know. I have little respect for someone who knows so little yet has so much to say. At least undercoverjoe, lonewolf, Robthedrummer and other right wingers/Libertarians know what THEY'RE talking about.

I like some of Obama's policies, that's hardly love.