THE POLITICAL ARENA!!! Political Gladiators Inside!!

[lonewolf]

Let me add "greedy" to the phrase, "Corrupt, morbid, envious little men."

Sounds like a very accurate description of johnny and hawk.

It was intended as a description for politicians, not any of my friends.

Ahhh hates polimaticians.

[songsmith]

This is a political thread. You have only made personal attacks here, you have never attempted a political thought. I know it is hard to think with shit for brains, but try it once.

Pot... kettle. Kettle... pot.


I think you just proved Shredder to be very astute.

[songsmith]

Socialist wealth re-distribution to a proletariat of squanderers is no excuse for bad tax policy. Let me add "greedy" to the phrase, "Corrupt, morbid, envious little men."

How does capitalist wealth redistribution help. It's undeniable, yet it's applauded when it happens... "Flood-Up" economics is the reality of "Trickle-Down" economics. Conservatism FULLY supports wealth redistribution, it wants it all distributed upwards. Conservatism FULLY supports Choice, they want to be the only ones who can choose. Conservatism FULLY supports class-warfare, as long as they win. All evidence and rightist rhetoric confirms it. Modern conservatism opposes every means one could have to escape the lower class and compete with the upper class: education for lower classes, collective bargaining, extreme executive pay vs. fair wages for workers, the prison industry, Affirmative Action, minimum wage, industry lobbying and corruption of government, "corporations are people," tax breaks for the wealthy... all of it favors an elite class who wish to remain elite.
In short, "part-time retail losers" like myself do not corrupt government, nor do we crash the banking system and cause worldwide financial catastrophe. That would be the domain of morbid, corrupt, "entitled" rich people.

[lonewolf]

Socialist wealth re-distribution to a proletariat of squanderers is no excuse for bad tax policy. Let me add "greedy" to the phrase, "Corrupt, morbid, envious little men."

How does capitalist wealth redistribution help. It's undeniable, yet it's applauded when it happens... "Flood-Up" economics is the reality of "Trickle-Down" economics. Conservatism FULLY supports wealth redistribution, it wants it all distributed upwards. Conservatism FULLY supports Choice, they want to be the only ones who can choose. Conservatism FULLY supports class-warfare, as long as they win. All evidence and rightist rhetoric confirms it. Modern conservatism opposes every means one could have to escape the lower class and compete with the upper class: education for lower classes, collective bargaining, extreme executive pay vs. fair wages for workers, the prison industry, Affirmative Action, minimum wage, industry lobbying and corruption of government, "corporations are people," tax breaks for the wealthy... all of it favors an elite class who wish to remain elite.
In short, "part-time retail losers" like myself do not corrupt government, nor do we crash the banking system and cause worldwide financial catastrophe. That would be the domain of morbid, corrupt, "entitled" rich people.

Why are you telling me this...I'm not a conservative.

I'm a pragmatic-anarchist, remember?

A pragmatic anarchist would rather not have any government, but realizes that because there are so many assholes still left in the gene pool, we need basic government.

[Banned]

Let me add "greedy" to the phrase, "Corrupt, morbid, envious little men."

Sounds like a very accurate description of johnny and hawk.

It was intended as a description for politicians, not any of my friends.

Ahhh hates polimaticians.

Greedy, corrupt, morbid, envious little men perfectly describe all socialists to me.

[lonewolf]

Modern conservatism opposes every means one could have to escape the lower class and compete with the upper class: education for lower classes, collective bargaining, extreme executive pay vs. fair wages for workers, the prison industry, Affirmative Action, minimum wage, industry lobbying and corruption of government

None of this stuff has anthing to do with wealth building and anybody who believes it will probably never build any wealth.

All that stuff does is empower politicians and keep people content at a certain financial level. As long as the followers are "comfortable", the politicians will continue to milk their votes and give them the scraps from their table.

Yeah...minimum wage....that's the ticket!

[Banned]

Minimum wage increases are just payback to union thugs who are part of the democrat party apparatus. When the min wage goes up, so do all union contracts, it is built into the union wage agreements.

Democrat politicians do NOT really care about people making minimum wage, there are not enough of them to worry about the votes. They DO care about pleasing their union thug bosses.

[Hawk]

Minimum wage increases are just payback to union thugs who are part of the democrat party apparatus. When the min wage goes up, so do all union contracts, it is built into the union wage agreements.

Democrat politicians do NOT really care about people making minimum wage, there are not enough of them to worry about the votes. They DO care about pleasing their union thug bosses.

What part of the US labor workforce is union ? About 12% ?

[hicksjd9]

That's funny. When the minimum wage went up, I lost money, and I'm in a union. All this union bashing by republicans is so ridiculous. There are SOME unions that are hopelessly corrupt and those are the ones you see over and over again on the media sites, but I'm in one and on the local union level where it affects me most it is certainly not outrageous or greedy. We have given up several things over the past two years, and my paychecks are now $40 less every two weeks.

The reason this country is in financial trouble is because bankers and wall street investors are too greedy. It's unrealistic to think that a company will make record profits year after year. This foolish belief is why companies are forced to lie and cheat on their balance sheets (to show record profits whether they exist or not) and why businesses are forced to send labor overseas (to squeeze every dime of profit out of the business for investors).

We no longer produce anything, we are only consumers. At best, we are a giant think tank. As long as our manufacturing jobs are overseas, we will not recover. And don't blame the unions for jobs going overseas! We will NEVER be able to compete with the wages paid in other countries...Unions or not! Our minimum wage per hour is more than some people make for a day's work overseas. So unless you want to work for $6 a day, you better hope the unions never completely go the way of the dinosaur.

Our country's financial future has been sold out by the greed of the weathiest Americans. The people that the republicans believe will spend, spend, spend if we give them every tax break possible, and get us out of our rut. GIVE ME A BREAK! The people who sent all of our jobs overseas aren't our financial saviors. They are bums.

[lonewolf]

Actually we are still the world's 2nd largest manufacturer...China just surpassed us last spring, or we'd still be #1.

There is nothing in any natural law or axiom that states that most manufacturing jobs must be located within the confines of the United States. In other words, we aren't entitled to jack schtuff. We bombed the schtuff out of our potential competition in WWII and mistook our 20 year head start as industrial superiority. Guess what? The rest of the world has caught up!

Those emerging countries are hell bent on raising their standard of living while our government prints more money for short term political gain and destroys ours.

The only way we can even hope to increase manufacturing in the U.S. is to make it the best place on Earth to manufacture things...we aren't even close to that...not with both political parties meddling in things they simply don't understand.

[Banned]

The reason this country is in financial trouble is because bankers and wall street investors are too greedy.

So the politicians in DC who have spent us $14.9 TRILLION IN DEBT have nothing to do with the financial troubles?????????????????

You union bosses have done their work well, got you brainwashed.

[Banned]

Minimum wage increases are just payback to union thugs who are part of the democrat party apparatus. When the min wage goes up, so do all union contracts, it is built into the union wage agreements.

Democrat politicians do NOT really care about people making minimum wage, there are not enough of them to worry about the votes. They DO care about pleasing their union thug bosses.

What part of the US labor workforce is union ? About 12% ?

And.....

Its the union money in democrat campaign coffers that matters. All union political money goes to democrats yet approx. 40% of union members are NOT democrats. I thought democrat politicians talk about compromise, except of course when it comes to union money, they want it all, and get it all.

[Banned]

"Nearly 15% of the U.S. population relied on food stamps in August, as the number of recipients hit 45.8 million."

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/11/ ... re_twitter


Obama 2008-2012, the Food Stamp Years. His goal to destroy this economy has succeeded.

[songsmith]

"Nearly 15% of the U.S. population relied on food stamps in August, as the number of recipients hit 45.8 million."

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/11/ ... re_twitter


Obama 2008-2012, the Food Stamp Years. His goal to destroy this economy has succeeded.

Can you tell us how Obama destroyed the economy? It was doing so well before he was inaugurated. This is like the guy who burned an apartment house down, then complained about the rise in homeless problem.

A do-nothing congress whose main focus is to oppose every letter of every attempt the current administration makes at helping get the economy rolling. A profoundly corrupt and manipulative corporate community hellbent on keeping taxes and labor expenses low while keeping executive salaries at record highs. A highly-profitable polarizing media drilling talking-points on a 24-hour news cycle turning misinformation into a commodity. The consumers of that media, who have been holding presidents accountable since 2009, and who choose the corporate corruption over the government they liked until 2009.

The reasons for the high food stamp usage rates are written in yellow. Also, some would rather there not be food stamps at all. You can't have it both ways.

[RobTheDrummer]

"Nearly 15% of the U.S. population relied on food stamps in August, as the number of recipients hit 45.8 million."

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/11/ ... re_twitter


Obama 2008-2012, the Food Stamp Years. His goal to destroy this economy has succeeded.

Can you tell us how Obama destroyed the economy? It was doing so well before he was inaugurated. This is like the guy who burned an apartment house down, then complained about the rise in homeless problem.

A do-nothing congress whose main focus is to oppose every letter of every attempt the current administration makes at helping get the economy rolling. A profoundly corrupt and manipulative corporate community hellbent on keeping taxes and labor expenses low while keeping executive salaries at record highs. A highly-profitable polarizing media drilling talking-points on a 24-hour news cycle turning misinformation into a commodity. The consumers of that media, who have been holding presidents accountable since 2009, and who choose the corporate corruption over the government they liked until 2009.

The reasons for the high food stamp usage rates are written in yellow. Also, some would rather there not be food stamps at all. You can't have it both ways.

What has he done? Well, besides start more class warfare, push a commie agenda, and go on vacations....

[lonewolf]

The only things I'd like to see Congress do is UNDO everything they have screwed up during the past 10 years or so. Otherwise, we are much better off if they in fact, do nothing. The President and his staff are completely clueless in all things economic and should be rendered lame ducks.

#1: A fire sale at Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and every other quasi-government company except for the Post Office.
#2: Phase out the Bush prescription plan
#3: Repeal The Affordable Healthcare Act or whatever its supposed to be called.
#4: Repeal Dodd-Frank and then get rid of Dodd and Frank--effing idiots.
#5: Repeal Sarbanes-Oxley
#6: Repeal the tax code and replace it with a revenue neutral+ flat tax where the only deduction is the yearly adjusted official poverty level--this will make it a progressive tax. No loopholes for anybody for anything. Capital gains and dividends are considered income, but not the sale of primary residences.

Oh, and it might be nice if those crooks actually sit down and do their primary responsibility of PASSING A BUDGET for the 1st time in 3 years. We've been living under a dictatorship long enough.

[hicksjd9]

The politicians have allowed big money to send our jobs overseas and given them incentives to do it. That is where their guilt lies.

As far as their contribution to the debt, it makes quite a bit of sense. If you lose your job and start paying all your bills with credit cards, you will rack up a TON of debt in the blink of an eye. BUT, you still need a place to live, food to eat, heat, etc. It takes awhile to downsize. Imagine your wife's dismay at her standard of living going down. I imagine she would be very vocal about it.

Same thing for politicians. It's just like this on a large scale and the entire population is your wife. When times were good it was no problem to pay the big bills, no one was that worried about spending. I don't remember political threads about it until about 5 or 6 years ago. Back then, only democrats cared about the deficit (and before that, the republicans under Newt Gingrich). Of course, neither agreed with the other side when they were espousing the debt cause. Now that times are bad, 300,000,000 "wives" are complaining about their standard of living dropping. Well, if the "wives" were really concerned about it, they shoud have spoken up before the repo man was at the front door.

The fault lies with the fickle american public just as much as it does with the politicians. And yes, I mean you and me.

[Hawk]

"Nearly 15% of the U.S. population relied on food stamps in August, as the number of recipients hit 45.8 million."

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/11/ ... re_twitter


Obama 2008-2012, the Food Stamp Years. His goal to destroy this economy has succeeded.

Can you tell us how Obama destroyed the economy? It was doing so well before he was inaugurated. This is like the guy who burned an apartment house down, then complained about the rise in homeless problem.

A do-nothing congress whose main focus is to oppose every letter of every attempt the current administration makes at helping get the economy rolling. A profoundly corrupt and manipulative corporate community hellbent on keeping taxes and labor expenses low while keeping executive salaries at record highs. A highly-profitable polarizing media drilling talking-points on a 24-hour news cycle turning misinformation into a commodity. The consumers of that media, who have been holding presidents accountable since 2009, and who choose the corporate corruption over the government they liked until 2009.

The reasons for the high food stamp usage rates are written in yellow. Also, some would rather there not be food stamps at all. You can't have it both ways.

What has he done? Well, besides start more class warfare, push a commie agenda, and go on vacations....

Class warfare started at the top. It's now a retaliation from the bottom.

It is a fact that the top % are hoarding well over a trillion dollars. They are not using it to create jobs (their fault, not Obama's). The money they make is on the backs of laborers. The money they hoard also shows that they could have been paying better wages.

The top % are holding the economy down because they want deregulation and they'll hold economy recovery hostage just to put a puppet republican in office.

We ask aqain. If the tax cuts create jobs, where are the jobs ? The tax cuts created nothing, it failed big time.

[Banned]

It is a fact that the top % are hoarding well over a trillion dollars. They are not using it to create jobs (their fault, not Obama's).

Watch CNBC. Then are part of liberal leaning NBC but everything is looked at through a financial lens. Many smart people on there say capital goes to where it is attacked the least. Unfortunately, capital is attacked way too much in this country. We have the highest corporate tax rates in the world (some say second highest, some say highest). America should be a shining star for capitalism, but all Obama knows is class envy politics.

This is the absolutely the fault of Obama and his no budget administration. He does not have the balls to present a budget to the American public. I guess he figures that if he does not have a public budget, no one will notice that he is running up more than $4 Trillion Debt in less than 3 years. MSNBC does a good job of ignoring it.

[Banned]

"Government-controlled mortgage giant Freddie Mac has requested $6 billion in additional aid after posting a wider loss in the third quarter.

Freddie Mac said Thursday that it lost $6 billion, or $1.86 per share, in the July-September quarter. That compares with a loss of $4.1 billion, or $1.25 a share, in the same quarter of 2010.

This quarter's $6 billion request from taxpayers is the largest since April 2010."

http://news.yahoo.com/freddie-mac-repor ... 49542.html


Why is this abomination allowed to go on??????????????????

[lonewolf]

If they had the internet in 1911, this is probably what a typical Russian thread would have looked like...except that the Bolsheviks already have their guy in the Czar's seat and are still bitching about it.

[songsmith]

#1: A fire sale at Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and every other quasi-government company except for the Post Office.

Agreed. Stop all SBA loans, end all special-interest tax breaks and incentives for business, lay off all corporate lobbyists, and renegotiate all gov't contracts with contractors, as well.

#2: Phase out the Bush prescription plan

Agreed, as long as we also allow patients to buy drugs from Canada, and heavily regulate the pharmaceutical co's so they can't extort 10,000% profit from drugs people need. Take Viagra and other erectile dysfunction drugs off Medicare & Medicaid pay schedules, and ADD birth-control pills.

#3: Repeal The Affordable Healthcare Act or whatever its supposed to be called.

Agreed, and replace it with single-payer coverage. Oh, and keep provisions regarding maximum payouts, pre-existing conditions, children on parents' policies, and end-of-life care.

#4: Repeal Dodd-Frank and then get rid of Dodd and Frank--effing idiots.

Agreed, and either enforce it, or replace it with something with more teeth, something that actually benefits somebody other than suits.

#5: Repeal Sarbanes-Oxley

Agreed. Replace it with something FAR more regulatory, with jailtime for execs, and company shutdowns for everyone else involved, based on "corporate personhood." Creative finance is not to be toyed with. Spare the rod and spoil the triple-breasted power-suited child.

#6: Repeal the tax code and replace it with a revenue neutral+ flat tax where the only deduction is the yearly adjusted official poverty level--this will make it a progressive tax. No loopholes for anybody for anything. Capital gains and dividends are considered income, but not the sale of primary residences.

Totally agree, but it'll never, ever happen. The people who pay for elections and laws will scuttle the USA before they allow that to happen. Their entire system is based on internalizing profits and assets, and externalizing responsibilities and liabilities. They enjoy a sense of entitlement that is without equal in all of history, and self-interest aside, many here agree.

[Hawk]

"Nearly 15% of the U.S. population relied on food stamps in August, as the number of recipients hit 45.8 million."

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/11/ ... re_twitter

Instead of hoarding money let it trickle down like Reagan wanted. Raise their pay, problem solved.

[Banned]

"Nearly 15% of the U.S. population relied on food stamps in August, as the number of recipients hit 45.8 million."

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/11/ ... re_twitter

Instead of hoarding money let it trickle down like Reagan wanted. Raise their pay, problem solved.

They need a job to have their pay raised.

[Banned]

"House subpoenas White House for Solyndra documents"

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... documents/

This should be easy for the self proclaimed "most transparent administration in history."

Why is this open and transparent administration withholding documents, what are they hiding, what are they afraid of?

Maybe Bill could help them out with his investigatory powers.