Let The Debating Begin!

ToonaRockGuy · Post by **ToonaRockGuy** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:49 pm

Okay, so USA Today has published their rankings of the "Top 20 Rock Bands Of All Time". THeir rankings included factors of longevity, influence, record sales, live performance, and musicianship. I'm just curious to see what everyone thinks. Here's the list:

1. Pearl Jam
2. Aerosmith
3. Van Halen
4. The Eagles
5. Journey
6. Guns-N-Roses
7. Grateful Dead
8. Queensryche
9. The Doors
10. REM
11. (tie) Allman Brothers/Fleetwood Mac
12. Metallica
13. KISS
14. The Ramones
15. (tie) Springsteen/CCR
16. (tie) Dave Matthews Band/Lynyrd Skynyrd
17. The Beach Boys
18. Nirvana
19. The Replacements
20. Bon Jovi
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For me, it's interesting...where's The Beatles? The Stones? Led Zeppelin? The Who? Black Sabbath? Cream?

Anyway, as in the title...LET THE DEBATING BEGIN!!!

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:05 pm

Pearl Jam as number one!? I liked Ten just as much as anybody, but why the hell are they number one? Even if you get past Vedder's pretentious "Oh whoa is me; I'm a rock star and I don't want to be" bullshit, they still shouldn't be number one.

It was an interesting choice to put the Replacements on the list. They've definatley influenced a lot of modern Pop Rock.

bassist4life2004 · Post by **bassist4life2004** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:19 pm

thats a bullshit list. Metallica should have been number 1. I mean, i know that aerosmith and all of those other bands stuck around, but if Zepp isnt on there, then why the hell is metallica so far down on the list. They were around for a long time, and sold more albums than pearl jam did 10 fold. Makes you wonder what the hells goin on in this world today.

DennySD · Post by **DennySD** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:20 pm

When it comes down to it, lists like this are usually determined by some guys in offices who figure they listen to the radio a lot.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:28 pm

ToonaRockGuy wrote:For me, it's interesting...where's The Beatles? The Stones? Led Zeppelin? The Who? Black Sabbath? Cream?

My thoughts exactly. And there are a few other "all time greats" that you could add to that list, like U2 or the Clash or Rush.

It just seems like such a random list. At first you think "oh cool, it's giving props to newer bands". But then you try to figure out how the Beach Boys made the list and so many other bands didn't.

Nice to see the Replacements on the list, but they do kind of stick out as being a more obscure act. Well, the Ramones didn't sell many records either. But they still had way more mainstream recognition than the Replacements. When you mention the Replacements to most people, the best you might get is, "weren't they the band that wore the big eyeballs on their heads?" Which is of course completely wrong. Everyone knows it was the REFRESHMENTS who wore the big eyeballs. Duh.

ToonaRockGuy · Post by **ToonaRockGuy** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:30 pm

Jimi Hatt wrote: Nice to see the Replacements on the list, but they do kind of stick out as being a more obscure act. Well, the Ramones didn't sell many records either. But they still had way more mainstream recognition than the Replacements. When you mention the Replacements to most people, the best you might get is, "weren't they the band that wore the big eyeballs on their heads?" Which is of course completely wrong. Everyone knows it was the REFRESHMENTS who wore the big eyeballs. Duh.

Jimi's having Radiation Nation flashbacks! "So take your ID card to the border guard..."

JeffLeeper · Post by **JeffLeeper** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:44 pm

Gotta agree with ToonaRockGuy

Where are the Beatles and Stones , at least ?...Half of the bands on the list wouldn't be there without inspiration or covers by these guys.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 10:07 pm

I CAN agree with everyone who posted before me. the bottom line is this line up is a study from a small experament. dont get me wrong I really like queensryche but at number 8 I disagree I cant see how they beat metellica, or R.E.M as far as album sales and a few others. its just a b.s. list. In my opinion if queensryche made the list then Iron Maiden or Judas Priest should have as well. as far as the bands that toona rock guy mentioned, the stones, beatles, the who, sabbath, and zep were all insperations of rock and roll.

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:06 am

DennySD wrote:When it comes down to it, lists like this are usually determined by some guys in offices who figure they listen to the radio a lot.

Or it's compiled by the pretentious mainstream music press elite. Those are the same idiots that hail no-talent bums like the White Stripes as brilliant.

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:23 am

If pearl jam is number one. Then I am the best guitar on the planet .. That is a joke. Ten was good, Vitality was o.k. The next ten live cd they released after that sucked ..

FatVin · Post by **FatVin** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:33 am

Well that about fixes it for me...it's official.....

THE WORLD HAS LOST IT'S FUCKIN' MIND

I'm no metal head but You have to give it it's props No Sab? WTF!!!!

No Beatles WTF????

No Stones WTF????

Journey doesn't belong on the the list same goes for

G n R Good band band but C'mon they had one good album

Queensryche, ya gotta be kidding me

This list is Total crap

A great band stands the test of time and half of the list is dated, the Doors, c'mon...influential certainly but 9th greatest of all time, I don't think so

and who's dick is Jon Bon Jovi sucking to get this kind of press?

Wanna talk influential, where are the Pistols?

and the coup d' gras, Pearl Jam as #1, WTF? 1 good album, I thought of all the seattle bands Alice or Soundgarten were better than PJ

Yea the Eagles don't get the credit they deserve, same for Fleetwood Mac

same for Bruce and Creedence but over the Beatles the Stones, Led Zep, Pink Floyd and the Who? I don't think so

so only one question remains

What the hell are they smoking at USA Today?

Post by **Ron** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:01 am

As a testament to the list being idiotic, why are there 23 bands in a top 20 list? Those people at USA Today are smokin' crack. That fact alone makes the list a complete joke because Nirvana, The Replacements, and Bon Jovi didn't make it into the top 20. Am I right or am I right? If more bands tied they could have 40 bands in their top 20 bands list.

Whatta Joke.

GoneForever · Post by **GoneForever** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:09 am

I agree with Kiss and the Ramones. Nirvana shouldn't be on that list. DMB shouldn't be on. Black Sabbath should be #1. Where's the Beatles, Led Zep, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, The Misfits, and Rush? 2 thumbs down for that list.

Post by **Ron** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:13 am

Man I could see a skit about that one. USA Today staffers call a meeting to figure out how many bands are going to be on their top 20 list.

Writer: "Hey Johnson, how many bands do you think we should have in our top 20 list ?"

Johnson: "Uh, 23 ?"

And wait until they introduce the three-way +more-way ties between bands. Their list in the end gets enough ties in it to include every band that has ever existed. 32 million bands tied for #20... hehe.

Slothkill · Post by **Slothkill** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:38 am

I think maybe a top 10 list for bullshit music magazines.
#1. Rolling Stone- these guys dissed every single Led Zeppelin album.
Or maybe top 10 Hairstyle influences
#1 Flock of Seagulls
Never the less I would think it almost impossible to list the best bands ever. If they would ever ask a group of ACTUAL musicians they could first never make a number 1 or 100. The list would never stop growing. And if it ever does please tear out my guts and use them to grease the treads of a tank over in Iraq.

DMFJ03 · Post by **DMFJ03** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:59 am

Where's the Rush?

I didn't even bother reading the rest if Rush wasn't in the top 10.

Imgrimm01 · Post by **Imgrimm01** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 3:55 am

You beat me to it Jae, 30+ years of touring and recording, 20+ albums and NO RUSH on the list??? Pearl Jam #1? whatever , this list is absolute bullshit! However I'm never surprised by this sorta thing , most of the world is retarded.

bassist4life2004 · Post by **bassist4life2004** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:02 am

Im almost suprised that Falling Higher isnt on that list, i mean, with all the other obsolete, podunk bands they put on there, we should be actually right up there with Pearl Jam.

What slays me is, Skynard is tied with Dave Matthews Band...PA-F**KIN-LEASE. If only the editors of that list lived around here, they would surely see that Skynard is the most worn out name in every bar.

Word of advice to anyone putting out an album. If you are getting low record sales in PA, put a skynard song on it, you will quadrupal your record sales. Shit, look at shinedown, they were hitting PA hard to get their names out there, they added Simple Man to their cd and BOOM, EVERYONE knows them. Works like magic.

J Michaels · Post by **J Michaels** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:20 am

Uhh.. dudes - the USA Today article is the Top 20 AMERICAN Rock bands of all time......

My god - if anyone actually put out a list of the Top __ Bands with no Zep, no Who, no Stones, and no Beatles, there would be absolutely no credibility for them left... zip - zero - zilch - nada.....

That being said, how can they claim longevity as a criterion and have GnR that high? Two records? I know - influence, live performance, blah blah blah. Above Metallica and Kiss? Uhh... ok.

And Journey above Metallica, Kiss, the Boss, and the Ramones? Uhh... ok.

But I will say this - THANK GOD Nirvana is not anywhere near the #1 slot. Good band - cool songs - changed rock music's direction a lot, but they are not - repeat NOT - the Led Zeppelin of their generation or any of the other outrageously overstated comparisons and analogies I have heard from the jerkoff music industry people who like to make themselves sound important and as if they know what they are talking about.

Sorry. Rant off.......

Oh yeah - one more thing. Keep in mind that these kinds of lists are ALWAYS formulated with atleast one eye towards pissing a bunch of us off so that we will get fired up, rant, and create more interest in their drivel.

Love and kisses, everyone.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:21 am

You all have GREAT Points, BUT I am gald that Journey's in the top ten,

HurricaneBob · Post by **HurricaneBob** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:27 am

This is why we have our own media to the world, anyone can read Rockpage, Anyone can be as big as you want, USA Today will be dead in 5 years, and i say amen! Look at there garbage!

Look for USA Today Flyers with top 100 reasons they died on a car near you!

Post by **Ron** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:45 am

ToonaRockGuy wrote:Okay, so USA Today has published their rankings of the "Top 20 Rock Bands Of All Time".

J Michaels wrote:Uhh.. dudes - the USA Today article is the Top 20 AMERICAN Rock bands of all time......

Once again, the drummer screws up.

Possessed · Post by **Possessed** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:37 pm

This list proves my theory that 90% of humanity are morons. Especially the suits that write this garbage.

ZappasXWife · Post by **ZappasXWife** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:45 pm

decay, JOURNEY? You're kidding right?
Even if it is American bands (I think a lot of us missed that), that list blows.
There's a reason I call that rag 'McPaper'

BDR · Post by **BDR** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:07 pm

FatVin wrote:Well that about fixes it for me...it's official.....

THE WORLD HAS LOST IT'S FUCKIN' MIND

I'm no metal head but You have to give it it's props No Sab? WTF!!!!

No Beatles WTF????

No Stones WTF????

Journey doesn't belong on the the list same goes for

G n R Good band band but C'mon they had one good album

Queensryche, ya gotta be kidding me

This list is Total crap

A great band stands the test of time and half of the list is dated, the Doors, c'mon...influential certainly but 9th greatest of all time, I don't think so

and who's dick is Jon Bon Jovi sucking to get this kind of press?

Wanna talk influential, where are the Pistols?

and the coup d' gras, Pearl Jam as #1, WTF? 1 good album, I thought of all the seattle bands Alice or Soundgarten were better than PJ

Yea the Eagles don't get the credit they deserve, same for Fleetwood Mac

same for Bruce and Creedence but over the Beatles the Stones, Led Zep, Pink Floyd and the Who? I don't think so

so only one question remains

What the hell are they smoking at USA Today?

So Vin, tell us what you really think ...

r:>)

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