I thought you voted for change.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:14 am

http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?art ... 6920090409

Seems like the same old policy to me.

Republocrat. They are the same party, do you now see it?

DirtySanchez · Post by **DirtySanchez** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:33 am

Fishing season doesn't start til next saturday.

http://www.kleenex.com/NA/Default.aspx

slackin@dabass · Post by **slackin@dabass** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:23 am

wait... wasn't obama against the war in iraq?

Naga · Post by **Naga** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:17 am

Yup... I recall him wanting to bring home the troops

felix'apprentice · Post by **felix'apprentice** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:47 am

thats what i thought too - thought he was bringing home the troops. turns out - hes bringing em outta iraq and sending more to afghanistan the way i understand it.

Blue Reality · Post by **Blue Reality** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:39 pm

Same old song and dance....... Here's what bothers me. The war in Iraq was not illegal and my have been ill advised and mis-handled, but there is a definate strategic advantage to the US to have stable moderate governments in place. Obama and Biden both new that and they knew that these conflicts had to be taken to the end with a winning strategy. It was going to take a length of time to "win" and get things done right.

But they ran on the same old partisan rhetoric about how they would end it soon, bring the troops home and make the world a better place. They lied and knew they were doing it. They couldn't have said otherwise and had any hope of winning. How's it feel now Hawk?

I'll say it again. Both sides are quilty of this BS and we sholder the responsibility for the mess they make.

DirtySanchez · Post by **DirtySanchez** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:47 pm

felix'apprentice wrote: hes bringing em outta iraq and sending more to afghanistan the way i understand it.

That's what I understood BEFORE he was elected. He said it at one of the debates, I'm pretty sure.
I didn't vote for him. I do not vote.

felix'apprentice · Post by **felix'apprentice** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:15 pm

DirtySanchez wrote:
felix'apprentice wrote: hes bringing em outta iraq and sending more to afghanistan the way i understand it.
That's what I understood BEFORE he was elected. He said it at one of the debates, I'm pretty sure.
I didn't vote for him. I do not vote.

ya - didnt vote for him either. i wish they would bring our troops home - a lot of my classmates are/were over there (sucks) ... but i guess we can't just draw them out - we made the mess now we gotta finish what we started.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:18 pm

Iraq War: Clearing the world chessboard of the last remaining pawn from the US-USSR cold war era interventionist chess match.

JackANSI · Post by **JackANSI** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:02 pm

DirtySanchez wrote:Fishing season doesn't start til next saturday.

http://www.kleenex.com/NA/Default.aspx

I can't wait. this year I can blame Obama if I don't catch anything.

DirtySanchez · Post by **DirtySanchez** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:11 pm

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:27 pm

Just so I have everybody's motives correct:

Conservatives during Bush Admin:Iraq War good, Afghanistan secondary.

Conservatives during Obama Admin: Iraq War bad, Afghanistan bad.

Me: Iraq War unconstitutional,unnecessary and expensive in money and lives lost; Afghanistan underfunded and strategically botched.

Osama bin Laden would be spinning in his grave except that HE'S STILL ALIVE. How ludicrous is it that the leader of the 9/11 attacks has been drawing breath for so long? I fully support the war in Afghanistan, always have, in fact, I think we should have NEVER gotten into Iraq ESPECIALLY because we hadn't caught Bin Laden... Deadeye Dick felt there were more "valuable" targets in Iraq. Hmmm, like the oil?... Lord knows there's nothing but shit, rocks, and CIA poppy fields in Afghanistan. And the most wanted man on the planet.--->JMS

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:29 pm

The only change I see coming is the allowing of millions of illegal immigrants to citizenship status, and a friendly handshake to Cuba, and of course taxes going up.

I only have one thing to say -> Newt 2012 !!

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Now playing on Winamp: Creed - Say I

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:37 pm

Newt cheated on his wife. That cost Clinton, didn't it, or is that okay as long as you're a neo?

--->JMS

JackANSI · Post by **JackANSI** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:46 pm

More critically... Was there something Bush wasn't telling everyone and Obama didn't get to know until he was elected president, which caused him to change course?

slackin@dabass · Post by **slackin@dabass** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:59 pm

JackANSI wrote:More critically... Was there something Bush wasn't telling everyone and Obama didn't get to know until he was elected president, which caused him to change course?

maybe. probably. the funny thing is that obviously, the people picking up the tab for the war aren't privy to this info as well. all i want to know is why. if it's a good enough reason, i could start supporting it.

and songsmith... are you implying that we could be invading countries with large supplies of oil to quench our own nations thirst for the black life blood of the world?

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:59 pm

songsmith wrote:Newt cheated on his wife. That cost Clinton, didn't it, or is that okay as long as you're a neo? --->JMS

Newt admitted it and didn't lie ..

DirtySanchez · Post by **DirtySanchez** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:15 pm

f.sciarrillo wrote:
songsmith wrote:Newt cheated on his wife. That cost Clinton, didn't it, or is that okay as long as you're a neo? --->JMS
Newt admitted it and didn't lie ..

Sounds like a stand up dude to me.

Apocalypse 2012.....GET STOKED!

Feelgood · Post by **Feelgood** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:25 pm

I thought I came onto Rockpage to talk about music.

DirtySanchez · Post by **DirtySanchez** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:48 pm

Feelgood wrote:I thought I came onto Rockpage to talk about music.

I'll talk music with you man. Whatcha wanna talk about?

Writing any new stuff with the hip hop project? And how could I get a cd of that stuff. I really do like some of it.

The closest the op has come to starting a thread about music recently was Carlos Santana wanting pot legalized. We all get off topic(see my food thread) and it's not only music talk on here. But Yeah, I know what you mean. The broken record shit is insane. You should have to contribute 2 music related threads/ posts for every 1 off topic thread/post.

Feelgood · Post by **Feelgood** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:30 pm

DirtySanchez wrote:
Feelgood wrote:I thought I came onto Rockpage to talk about music.
I'll talk music with you man. Whatcha wanna talk about?

Writing any new stuff with the hip hop project? And how could I get a cd of that stuff. I really do like some of it.

The closest the op has come to starting a thread about music recently was Carlos Santana wanting pot legalized. We all get off topic(see my food thread) and it's not only music talk on here. But Yeah, I know what you mean. The broken record shit is insane. You should have to contribute 2 music related threads/ posts for every 1 off topic thread/post.

My hip hop project has been on the back burner a bit. I have been too busy writing school papers to write lyrics, ha. And I may be setting up a new online ordering page to purchase the cd. I have been slacking on that stuff as of late.

DirtySanchez · Post by **DirtySanchez** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:49 pm

right on.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:05 pm

Feelgood wrote:I thought I came onto Rockpage to talk about music.

Go ahead, but it would greatly help to avoid threads like this one. Free advice, no charge.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:07 pm

JackANSI wrote:More critically... Was there something Bush wasn't telling everyone and Obama didn't get to know until he was elected president, which caused him to change course?

So, even though he ran as Change Incarnate, Barry Hussein is going to keep the same foreign policy as Bush and you are going to blame Bush. You liberals have taken the blame game to a new level.

RobTheDrummer · Post by **RobTheDrummer** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:09 pm

I still think we should stay there till the goddamn job is done. So I agree with Obamer on this issue, however he did go against what he was saying all election!