GOT GAS?

[lonewolf]

I suggest that everybody take every vehicle and gas can you have and fill it up before noon today.

Half of our unleaded production is knocked out and we'll probably have gas shortages with the holiday coming up.

[JayBird]

I just got done working in Indiana. I filled up my mowers and topped of my tank in the truck...$40...$2.59 a gallon at 9:30ish. At 11:15 when I was heading out of Indiana gas had risen to $2.79 a gallon. This is out of control...

[Imgrimm01]

Out of control indeed, I spend $65.00 per week to commute to work at this point , NO PLACE ELSE !! Just to work and home ! I really feel for those making minimum wage, I mean more than half your hourly wage for a gallon of gas? BUT Who or what will help solve this problem? Your Government? Come on The Bush's have their hands so deep in the pocket of the oil industry they would be fools to try and after all their botom line is what's most important here not the people that they SUPPOSIDLY represent. so our tax dollars continue to buy his fuel and ours.. Great Deal ,, I hope we always have a oil rich republican in the White House THIS IS GREAT !

[f.sciarrillo]

I know what you all mean .. This is rediculous, I look for something to break here soon. The price of gas is causing the price of everything to go up .. Automakers are losing money left and right, and transportation companies are going out of business. It 's rediculous if you ask me .. .

I think what should happen, is all the people in this country quit buying it for a week. You will see oil comapnies fold. This is price gouging as far as I am concerned. There is no reason why it should be this high. About the only is to line the pockets of opec, and the oil barrons. I tell you though, if I had known it is was going to be like this, I would have bought futurs in it six months ago. I would be able to retire right now .. Ahh, capital America. Don't you love it ??

[lonewolf]

The problem right now is not the price of crude oil. The problem is that nearly half of the U.S. refining capacity was knocked out by Hurricane Katrina. Nobody's sure yet when gasoline production will resume at these plants. Don't be surprised if you start seeing the "NO GAS" signs start going up. Ahhh, just like 1973 and 1979. Welcome to my "good old days".

This also knocked out about 1/4 of U.S. domestic crude production, but that won't matter if it can't be processed into usable products.

Yep, that damn president, using all his powers to whip up a hurricane, knowing full well that it would devastate the heart of our oil industry and cause gas prices to climb higher. Geez, all this time I thought it was the Democrats who were controlling the weather.

[Bit*chenWomen1029]

OK SERIOUSLY RIDICULOUS..... I DONT KNOW HOW MUCH MORE WE CAN TAKE OF THE PRICE OF GAS.
MY HUSBAND USES MY MINI VAN FOR COMMUTE TO WORK AND FOR HIS PAPER DELIVERY ROUTE.... WE ARE PUTTING LIKE 25.00+ A DAY IN THE TANK....... I THINK HES WORKING TO PAY FOR GAS AND THATS IT.

MY HUSBAND HEARD ON THE RADIO ABOUT A NEW ELECTRIC /GAS CAR THAT GETS 250 MILES PER GALLON.... WE NEED TO GET ONE OF THEM THATS AWESOME.

GAS IT UP BEFORE ITS TOOOO HIGH!!!! THEY ARE SAYING OVER 3.00

[f.sciarrillo]

The problem right now is not the price of crude oil. The problem is that nearly half of the U.S. refining capacity was knocked out by Hurricane Katrina. Nobody's sure yet when gasoline production will resume at these plants. Don't be surprised if you start seeing the "NO GAS" signs start going up. Ahhh, just like 1973 and 1979. Welcome to my "good old days".

This also knocked out about 1/4 of U.S. domestic crude production, but that won't matter if it can't be processed into usable products.

Yep, that damn president, using all his powers to whip up a hurricane, knowing full well that it would devastate the heart of our oil industry and cause gas prices to climb higher. Geez, all this time I thought it was the Democrats who were controlling the weather.

I think the hurricane is an excuse. There have been numerous hurricanes, some worse than this, and they never raised the price of gas .. People saying the hurricane is the cause is not feasible.

This is price gouging, the oil barrons want money so they found a way to get it ... Opec is helping them get it. They are getting rich right a long with the barrons ..

I was talking to a couple of people about this today, one said that he saw on the news that truckers boycotted PA. They are going to New Jersey to get their gas. The taxes for it here in Pa is to much. Also, Hawaii put a hold on all import of it .. They aren't allowing any to come in ..

We don't have it as bad as some people. Over sees they are paying as much as 6.00 a gallon. Yet, on a military base they are paying .60 cents. Explain that one ??

When you see the automakers and all the trucking companies in this country go out of business you know who you can blame. I in fact look for this to cause quite a few companies to send their production out of the country. Could you see Ford or Chevy moving to Korea ??

I also see the use of hybrid car sells going up as well. The milege they get is pretty good. Now if they would come out with more hybris suvs, like the ford escape hybrid, they might have something. I don't believe a car can get 250 mile a gallon. Top of about 70 would be more "Normal" ..

[lonewolf]

I think the hurricane is an excuse. There have been numerous hurricanes, some worse than this, and they never raised the price of gas .. People saying the hurricane is the cause is not feasible.

Don't think, know:

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provid ... ID=5076551

"Nine refineries with combined capacity of nearly 2 million bpd were shut down and four more were running at reduced rates. Three of the refineries in Louisiana are "under water," according to a U.S. senator."

Katrina will go down in the record books as having caused more $ damage than any hurricane in history, by a wide margin. It is the 1st time an American city had to be completely evacuated.

[Jim Price]

Get ready to cry more...winter is coming, and I don't think home heating oil prices will be dropping...

Make no mistake, it's rough and getting rougher. Hopefully if the government releases some of the emergency stockpile of oil, it might ease things some, but I think we're stuck with high oil and gas prices for a while to come. And I'll be interested to see when, once things stabilize and get back to normal (if there is such a thing), if the prices come back down. I'm not holding my breath.

I'm waiting to see what happens if the gas prices reach a point where the trucking industry decides to make a statement - with the Teamsters perhaps pulling their rigs off the roads. Then things should get REAL interesting...

I have the new September Pennsylvania Musician magazines to deliver next week. I am not looking forward to it, even though I've been using the Sheetz plastic to buy my gas in the past couple of months...I might have to start considering cutting back my deliveries and magazine-related travel if gas prices continue to skyrocket.

[f.sciarrillo]

I think the hurricane is an excuse. There have been numerous hurricanes, some worse than this, and they never raised the price of gas .. People saying the hurricane is the cause is not feasible.

Don't think, know:

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provid ... ID=5076551

"Nine refineries with combined capacity of nearly 2 million bpd were shut down and four more were running at reduced rates. Three of the refineries in Louisiana are "under water," according to a U.S. senator."

Katrina will go down in the record books as having caused more $ damage than any hurricane in history, by a wide margin. It is the 1st time an American city had to be completely evacuated.

Yeah, it does look like it does have something to do with it .. I been watching fox news for the last hour. The devostation and termoil going on down there is really bad. I feel bad for the people of that area. It more devostating than I though it was ... New Orleans is competely under water. 20 feet in some areas. They evacuated the whole city. The super ddome is even damaged. They are trying evacuate 25,000 people from it .. The mayor says that thousands may have died ... It's a real shame ..

[f.sciarrillo]

Get ready to cry more...winter is coming, and I don't think home heating oil prices will be dropping...

Make no mistake, it's rough and getting rougher. Hopefully if the government releases some of the emergency stockpile of oil, it might ease things some, but I think we're stuck with high oil and gas prices for a while to come. And I'll be interested to see when, once things stabilize and get back to normal (if there is such a thing), if the prices come back down. I'm not holding my breath.

I'm waiting to see what happens if the gas prices reach a point where the trucking industry decides to make a statement - with the Teamsters perhaps pulling their rigs off the roads. Then things should get REAL interesting...

I have the new September Pennsylvania Musician magazines to deliver next week. I am not looking forward to it, even though I've been using the Sheetz plastic to buy my gas in the past couple of months...I might have to start considering cutting back my deliveries and magazine-related travel if gas prices continue to skyrocket.

Pres Bush is having a press conference at 5:00 our time to address the issue. He has already announced that he is releasing some of the reserve.

You know what is scary, a couple of months ago they have a show on tv called oil storm. It was a prediction of what is to come. So far it is right .. Timeline and everything .. I hope what happen in that television does not happen for real ..

[bassist_25]

The problem right now is not the price of crude oil. The problem is that nearly half of the U.S. refining capacity was knocked out by Hurricane Katrina. Nobody's sure yet when gasoline production will resume at these plants. Don't be surprised if you start seeing the "NO GAS" signs start going up. Ahhh, just like 1973 and 1979. Welcome to my "good old days".

This also knocked out about 1/4 of U.S. domestic crude production, but that won't matter if it can't be processed into usable products.

Yep, that damn president, using all his powers to whip up a hurricane, knowing full well that it would devastate the heart of our oil industry and cause gas prices to climb higher. Geez, all this time I thought it was the Democrats who were controlling the weather.

But my question is will the price go back to normal after the hurricane. I doubt that it will matter if those refineries go back online or not afterwards. Once the oil companies see that they can get $2.79 out of people, do you think they are going to go back to normal prices?

[bassist_25]

I'm waiting to see what happens if the gas prices reach a point where the trucking industry decides to make a statement - with the Teamsters perhaps pulling their rigs off the roads. Then things should get REAL interesting...

IMO, that's the only boycott that would be effective, because it would literally be crippling the economy. Then again, I don't know if I would want to see the social carnage that would occur because of it. People are already looting in the areas devastated the the hurricane. I guess it shows how selfish and petty humans are, makes me wonder why I want to become a psychologist.

[JayBird]

Hey bassist_25...you hit the nail on the head. At $2.79, gas will still be bought. What does the oil company do - they'll drop it to $2.39 a gallon and all of American will love the falling price and settle with a new lower price. Little do they realize, it's still about $.60 more at the $2.39 price than what it was a year ago at this time. This is all a market ploy. America needs to grow some balls and fight back. I've never seen soooo many scooters on the road like I do this year.

Oh yeah...reports in from around Huntington...$2.99/gallon for the cheap shit.

Hey Grimm...you spend $65 per week...how would you like to spend that per day. My landscaping business is taking a pounding. I've had to resort to a 4% gas surcharge. I've lost two clients over it. Those two clients added up to $100 per week/$400 a month loss due to oil.

[bassist_25]

I've had to resort to a 4% gas surcharge. I've lost two clients over it. Those two clients added up to $100 per week/$400 a month loss due to oil.

I guess that the great economist Sin "John Maynard Keyes" Man's idea of passing inflation off onto the customer didn't work. (remember that thread from about a year ago?) It seems that he didn't take price elasticity into account when he tried to tell you how to run your business.

You're definatley right about the price game. $2.39 sounds awesome right about now.

[lonewolf]

But my question is will the price go back to normal after the hurricane. I doubt that it will matter if those refineries go back online or not afterwards. Once the oil companies see that they can get $2.79 out of people, do you think they are going to go back to normal prices?

Good question. What's "normal"?

U.S. gasoline demand is fast approaching gasoline production capacity. My favorite illustration of this was the commercial that had the 3 Escalade models driving down the street with the announcement: "The Escalade, the Escalade EXT and the all-new BIGGER Escalade ESV." Bigger? How is that possible? History repeats itself...the same thing happened in the '70s. Look at the 1972 Thunderbird and you will understand what I mean. Gas was relatively cheap and it was OK to buy huge vehicles again. Well, it ain't OK.

There are several refining companies that already had plans in the works to build new refineries to meet the ever-increasing demand for gas. It wasn't cost effective to build them when gas was cheap, so there was very little new capacity put online for the past 20 years. On the crude side, there is a huge reserve of oil in Texas/Oklahoma in the form of wildcat spot wells that were not cost effective to operate under $40/barrel and have been dormant for about the same 20 years. These are going online now and should help to ease the demand for crude.

After this calamity, its hard to say what will happen, although 2007 should be better than now.

Contrary to some public opinion, the government has very little to do with it.

[Imgrimm01]

Please people don't be fooled by the smoke and mirrors... Jesus Christ we have been getting reemed by this game since Bush made himself Pres. Hey Look Gay Marriage ... ooops there's a war? Hey Look WMD ... Hey look Hurricane.... come on People get your heads out of you ass how much shit has this guy snuck under our noses in the name of or by covering with something else? PLEASE PLEASE I know alot of you and I know that you can't be this naive ! We are being bamboozled into submission !

[RobTheDrummer]

For all the Liberals that think gas prices are because of a Republicans..think again.

Netherlands Amsterdam $6.48
Norway Oslo $6.27
Italy Milan $5.96
Denmark Copenhagen $5.93
Belgium Brussels $5.91
Sweden Stockholm $5.80
United Kingdom London $5.79
Germany Frankfurt $5.57
France Paris $5.54
Portugal Lisbon $5.35
Hungary Budapest $4.94
Luxembourg $4.82
Croatia Zagreb $4.81
Ireland Dublin $4.78
Switzerland Geneva $4.74
Spain Madrid $4.55
Japan Tokyo $4.24
Czech Republic Prague $4.19
Romania Bucharest $4.09
Andorra $4.08
Estonia Tallinn $3.62
Bulgaria Sofia $3.52
Brazil Brasilia $3.12
Cuba Havana $3.03
Taiwan Taipei $2.84
Lebanon Beirut $2.63
South Africa Johannesburg $2.62
Nicaragua Managua $2.61
Panama Panama City $2.19
Russia Moscow $2.10
Puerto Rico San Juan $1.74
Saudi Arabia Riyadh $0.91
Kuwait Kuwait City $0.78
Egypt Cairo $0.65
Nigeria Lagos $0.38
Venezuela Caracas $0.12

[RobTheDrummer]

And yea, gas prices still suck...i'm not trying to say they don't...just putting the political crybabies in their place. DRILL IN ALASKA!!! DRILL OFF THE COASTS!!! WE HAVE THE OIL!!! Lets friggin wake up! And I actually have a decent solution to curbing gas prices....

[Mackovyak]

South Carolina Gas Prices

[Ron]

There is no solution that involves petroleum based fuels, only procrastination.

Our nation needs to kick the petroleum fuel habit, and we have all of the sources available to us to do it, but that would involve change, and we all know how change scares us.

Let Willie guide the way... http://www.wnbiodiesel.com/

[Jones]

For all the Liberals that think gas prices are because of a Republicans..think again.

And there's absolutely no reason for our prices to be that high, you've just proven that Bush is the problem.

[HarleyRo1]

I cringe at the thought of winter coming and my heating bills. My heat bills are more than my mortgage...and that makes me sick. I look at the elderly and low income families and you have to wonder how they will ever be able to stay warm this winter. And now, the natural gas companies can shut your gas off any time of the year. It can be 4 degrees out and if you cannot make your payment, OFF the gas goes.

Like all of you, filling up the gas tank is mind-numbing. What it costs me now to fill up the motorcycle tank - used to fill up the car tank.

It's just insane...and our government just lets it continue. Pathetic!!

[Punkinhead]

You know in reality if everyone only bitches about it, nothing will get done. Everyone in here is fully aware that it sucks ass but, until something can be done we all might as well bend over.


People have been trying to get something going where no one buys gas on certain days. Well, instead of a solution it is mostly met with, "Well, everyone will buy on the other days more...No one will do it, blah, blah..." So who knows...No one has a solution, and no one will because no one will try anything but bitching and finger pointing. I thought at one time in this country if people pulled together they could force a change. I may be wrong though...And even at that, I'm a hypocrite as well - No solution, just crying.


Just my take...It's more of a radical pissed off rant (as much as I go) because of my being sick of this shit...

[lonewolf]

For all the Liberals that think gas prices are because of a Republicans..think again.

And there's absolutely no reason for our prices to be that high, you've just proven that Bush is the problem.

Yes, I got the inside story from my operatives in DC.

Gasoline is produced by a huge army of elves that work for Halliburton in Texas. They extract the gas by grabbing handfuls of crude and squeezing the gas out with their fists. Once they noticed how much gasoline was selling for, they demanded a raise from Dick Cheney or they'd go on strike. Once the president got wind of this, he ordered Cheney to tell the elves that if they wanted more money, they'd have to work overtime for it. The elves didn't like that at all and immediately went on strike. To cover up the elves' strike, the Whitehouse concocted this wild story about a hurricane that shut down much of the nation's oil & gas industry.

I don't think you understand the gravity of the situation. This hurricane eliminated 1/2 of the gasoline production and pipelines in the U.S. To top that off, the major gasoline pipeline from the still operating refineries in Texas is shut down. 9/11 was a tragedy and I don't mean to downplay it, but this storm has created the 1st REAL nationwide crisis in decades.

How much will gas be worth when the sign at Sheetz says "NO GAS" next week? How about when people start beating each other up over a place in line at the pump when the tanker truck shows up?

Its been 26 years since the last oil crisis and we have been lulled into the false presumption that oil would be cheap forever. Hey, gas was cheap, so why develop alternative sources? Why bother making more efficient cars when everybody wants gas guzzling SUVs? Why bother building new refineries to meet demand if you can't make any profit from cheap gas? Meanwhile, as the Hummers sucked up more and more gas, we walked a tightrope between full gasoline production and full gasoline consumption.

The rope has snapped.