THE POLITICAL ARENA!!! Political Gladiators Inside!!

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:11 pm

Oops, joe's NOT happy.
Big surprise.

Somebody get him his binky and put him down for his nap, him's eyes are droopy.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:27 pm

FOCUS-----answer the question. Are you really that stupid?

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:33 pm

The answer to that question is NO.
Now, since you got your boo-boo lip out, you tell me what it is you think I envy about the elite class?

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:40 pm

The President wants to increase the 2012 deficit to $1.3T:

"The budget proposes a tax hike of $1.5 trillion"

Aren't tax increases supposed to reduce the deficit? That's what I was told: "we need a "balanced" solution to reduce the deficit."

Of course, he proposes to reduce the deficit to $900 billion in 2013.

Isn't that convenient...we'll start cutting the deficit after the election.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-unv ... 1.html?l=1

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:47 pm

lonewolf wrote: Isn't that convenient...we'll start cutting the deficit after the election.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-unv ... 1.html?l=1

Didn't Bush set his Tax Breaks For The Rich to end right after he left office? Wasn't that meant to force the next guy to either continue them or face "tax & spend" accusations, which he got anyway?
On a brighter note, I did just read that Obama's planning on cap-gains taxation going back up to Reagan %-levels, and ending the Bush Tax Cuts for everyone over $250K yearly. That will help more than anything so far.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ ... tml?wprss=

Awesome bait-and-switch on the title of the article, but, hey, it's a right-wing rag, whaddaya expect?

Can't post non-uaj-apporved sources, you know.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:54 pm

songsmith wrote:
lonewolf wrote: Isn't that convenient...we'll start cutting the deficit after the election.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-unv ... 1.html?l=1
Didn't Bush set his Tax Breaks For The Rich to end right after he left office? Wasn't that meant to force the next guy to either continue them or face "tax & spend" accusations, which he got anyway?[/url]

Yes he did. All politicians pull that. What's your point?

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:00 pm

lonewolf wrote:
songsmith wrote:
lonewolf wrote: Isn't that convenient...we'll start cutting the deficit after the election.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-unv ... 1.html?l=1
Didn't Bush set his Tax Breaks For The Rich to end right after he left office? Wasn't that meant to force the next guy to either continue them or face "tax & spend" accusations, which he got anyway?[/url]
Yes he did. All politicians pull that. What's your point?

He has never had a valid point. He hates anyone who has more than he does, and wants them punished by taxation by his authoritarian government.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:20 pm

songsmith wrote:
lonewolf wrote: Isn't that convenient...we'll start cutting the deficit after the election.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-unv ... 1.html?l=1
On a brighter note, I did just read that Obama's planning on cap-gains taxation going back up to Reagan %-levels, and ending the Bush Tax Cuts for everyone over $250K yearly. That will help more than anything so far.

Help what?

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:26 pm

lonewolf wrote:
songsmith wrote:
lonewolf wrote: Isn't that convenient...we'll start cutting the deficit after the election.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-unv ... 1.html?l=1
Didn't Bush set his Tax Breaks For The Rich to end right after he left office? Wasn't that meant to force the next guy to either continue them or face "tax & spend" accusations, which he got anyway?[/url]
Yes he did. All politicians pull that. What's your point?

The Point: If it's okay for a conservative, it's okay for everyone else, and complaining about it is pointless. Clear enough?

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:32 pm

lonewolf wrote:
songsmith wrote:
lonewolf wrote: Isn't that convenient...we'll start cutting the deficit after the election.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-unv ... 1.html?l=1
On a brighter note, I did just read that Obama's planning on cap-gains taxation going back up to Reagan %-levels, and ending the Bush Tax Cuts for everyone over $250K yearly. That will help more than anything so far.
Help what?

Help punish anyone with more than stumpy. He hates those rich.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:34 pm

songsmith wrote:
lonewolf wrote:
songsmith wrote: Didn't Bush set his Tax Breaks For The Rich to end right after he left office? Wasn't that meant to force the next guy to either continue them or face "tax & spend" accusations, which he got anyway?[/url]
Yes he did. All politicians pull that. What's your point?
The Point: If it's okay for a conservative, it's okay for everyone else, and complaining about it is pointless. Clear enough?

Why do you think Bush was a conservative? He spent almost as much as socialist NObama.

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:36 pm

undercoverjoe wrote:
lonewolf wrote:
songsmith wrote: Didn't Bush set his Tax Breaks For The Rich to end right after he left office? Wasn't that meant to force the next guy to either continue them or face "tax & spend" accusations, which he got anyway?[/url]
Yes he did. All politicians pull that. What's your point?
He has never had a valid point. He hates anyone who has more than he does, and wants them punished by taxation by his authoritarian government.

Poopy-butt's naptime's over!
So, you see taxation as PUNISHMENT. Not the fee for tapping the fruits of society's efforts, but PUNISHMENT, for being kickass, I guess.
Just when I think you couldn't be any more sponge-headed and susceptible to the most bizarre extremism, you set the bar higher.
I don't even eat your lunches anymore. I take them and feed them to the dog.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:41 pm

The top 5% of taxpayers pay over 58% of taxes. The top 10% pay over 70% of taxes.

How much more do you want them punished?

http://ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:45 pm

lonewolf wrote: Help what?

That horrible, Satanic DEBT! Duh.
It would also help prevent future investment bubbles, as easy money is easier to risk.
It would also help working Americans feel better about the gulf between them and the uber-wealthy, and show some fairness of treatment.
In addition, it would prove the hysterics of the rightwing regarding the relationship between taxation and unemployment are completely baseless.
I could go on, it's pretty much all upside.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:51 pm

NObama increased the DEBT by $5 TRILLION.

The tax cut elimination would have brought in some 100's of millions, but hurt the economy even more.

Funny, a guy who has received straight gummint welfare with his Earned Income Tax Refund is mad that someone else had a tax break.

Could you get any smaller?

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:51 pm

undercoverjoe wrote: ]

Why do you think Bush was a conservative? He spent almost as much as socialist NObama.

Because George Walker Bush was, is and always will be a conservative. He was elected by conservatives. He was lionized by conservatives, supported by conservatives, sold to us by the conservative media, and did exactly what all conservative presidents and politicians do: spend money, benefit business, and blame it all on the next guy.
If he wasn't conservative, neither was Reagan.

PS- The dog says he wants Lean Cuisine tomorrow.

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:58 pm

undercoverjoe wrote:NObama increased the DEBT by $5 TRILLION.

The tax cut elimination would have brought in some 100's of millions, but hurt the economy even more.

Funny, a guy who has received straight gummint welfare with his Earned Income Tax Refund is mad that someone else had a tax break.

Could you get any smaller?

Oh, yeahhhhhhh. That. The unemployed loser still clinging to some tax issue he made up, a tax credit everybody with children gets...
You got nuthin.' You've been owned again. I own you so bad, I should pay taxes on YOU!

Property rights, indeed!
Seriously, Lean Cuisine. I'm thinking something Italian.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:01 pm

songsmith wrote:
undercoverjoe wrote: ]

Why do you think Bush was a conservative? He spent almost as much as socialist NObama.
did exactly what all conservative presidents and politicians do: spend money, benefit business, and blame it all on the next guy.

Exactly what your illegal Kenyan does, except he blames it all on the last guy.

(He loves him some GE and Solyndra, but stumpy would have you believe Democrats never help big business)

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:05 pm

undercoverjoe wrote: [Exactly what your illegal Kenyan does, except he blames it all on the last guy.

Thanks for admitting Bush is conservative. That's all I wanted, the rest you can pleasure yourself to, if you like.
Remember, Lean Cuisine. The dog's getting chubby.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:05 pm

stumpy, keep patting your self on your back more, your arms might grow a little, and you might be able to buy your shirts in a men's store.

Stumpy, slimy, jealous and stupid is no way to go through life son.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:07 pm

songsmith wrote:
undercoverjoe wrote: [Exactly what your illegal Kenyan does, except he blames it all on the last guy.

Thanks for admitting Bush is conservative. That's all I wanted, the rest you can pleasure yourself to, if you like.
Remember, Lean Cuisine. The dog's getting chubby.

Have you made up an imaginary language where only you can understand it? I said or implied no such thing. When you lose a point, you make up things. What a slimy piece of shit.

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:09 pm

Check and see if Lean Cuisine does a lasagne. Farfy likes that. Then, go away, loser.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:21 pm

songsmith wrote:
lonewolf wrote: Help what?
That horrible, Satanic DEBT! Duh.

Ah, I see. That's why the deficit increases more than 20% year over year with the President's budget. Makes perfect sense. Increase taxes and the deficit explodes. Could it be that anytime a politician raises taxes, he has every intent to spend every penny and then some?

songsmith wrote: It would also help prevent future investment bubbles, as easy money is easier to risk.

Nonsense. Show me one legit investment expert who espouses this. Bubbles create easy money when smart money pulls out right before the bubble bursts. Ever hear of a pump & dump? A bubble is nothing more that a pump & dump on a mass scale.

Greed, fearlessness, ignorance and government encouragement cause bubbles. Smart money just loves big new government programs to exploit.

songsmith wrote: It would also help working Americans feel better about the gulf between them and the uber-wealthy, and show some fairness of treatment.

Ah, so raising taxes is "feelgood" legislation. Well, alrighty then! I'm glad to see a proponent finally admit to that.

songsmith wrote: In addition, it would prove the hysterics of the rightwing regarding the relationship between taxation and unemployment are completely baseless.

Correct! Business cycles, demographics, productivity, GDP and above all, lack of consumption & uncertainty, are more closely correlated to unemployment.

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:22 pm

undercoverjoe wrote:
songsmith wrote: did exactly what all conservative presidents and politicians do: spend money, benefit business, and blame it all on the next guy.
Exactly what your illegal Kenyan does, except he blames it all on the last guy.

This in no way, shape, or form proves Bush is not a conservative. By not supplying rebuttal to my point, you must admit defeat. Bush is conservative just like you. Once again, you do not make the rules, or set the definitions. The sooner you understand that, and realize nobody supports you here anymore, the less embarrassing it will be for you. You're a nut. That's kind of a sad thing, but I didn't cause it, I just point it out... for fun. Wake up.

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:26 pm

Obama hasn't reversed on thing that Bush started. I wonder why? All you who claim he is a saint are complaining about the bush taxes, but yet Obama hasn't reversed them yet. He probably won't either. Probably because he is a pussy and is looking for people to like him. Now he is saying about more tax cuts for businesses; gee, just like Bush. Are you sure Obama is a liberal?

I am surprised that you Obama fans aren't complaining about his wimpyness. He is a such a hypocrite.